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Message 167 of 517 (325105)
06-22-2006 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Faith
06-22-2006 11:52 PM


I'd just as soon the thread stays closed since dealing with this kind of stupidity is not worth it. Of course you can open it and I'll just leave if you like and you can congratulate each other on your straw men.
Faith, luv, the thread is not about you. You don't have to participate.

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Message 173 of 517 (325228)
06-23-2006 8:58 AM
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06-22-2006 11:56 PM


Faith writes:
That's what I said Omni. I'll leave and you can all congratulate each other since you won't have a YEC to set you straight.
Well, I hadn't participated there. There are so many threads at EvC that I now consider carefully where I want to get involved, given the demands that are typically (and rightly) made for evidence and responses. Of course, if Percy would put me on the payroll, I'd just post all day!
My intention was simply to suggest that you just let some threads go.
If you do a drive-by broadside, esp. with excoriating terms like idiotic or silly, and then expect to walk away or only sporadically participate in the thread, you've done a disservice to your own position and to the other participants.
But I mostly intended to suggest letting some things go by without you to promote your peace of mind. I'm always happy to see a YEC supporter in any debate. I have little interest in an amen chorus of scientists or anyone else.

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Message 226 of 517 (423244)
09-20-2007 1:37 PM


Hoot Mon's Natural Selection Thread
I would urge Admin to promote Hoot Mon's PNT, "What exactly are the "forces" of natural selection?" Perhaps the topic could be more narrowly framed as "Are these things natural selection?"
He has cited several interlocutors' lists of examples of natural selection, going on to claim that the reasoning behind these lists would also justify listing "rainbows" as selective forces.
Wikipedia's definition of natural selection is pretty good:
quote:
Natural selection is the process by which favorable traits that are heritable become more common in successive generations of a population of reproducing organisms, and unfavorable traits that are heritable become less common. Natural selection acts on the phenotype, or the observable characteristics of an organism, such that individuals with favorable phenotypes are more likely to survive and reproduce than those with less favorable phenotypes. If these phenotypes have a genetic basis, then the genotype associated with the favorable phenotype will increase in frequency in the next generation. Over time, this process can result in adaptations that specialize organisms for particular ecological niches and may eventually result in the emergence of new species.
With this general definition as background, a debate of what is and is not an instance of natural selection could be useful.
For example, my own mention of a meteor strike could be categorized as a cause of genetic drift (a subspecies population of organisms at ground zero simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time) or natural selection (immediately surviving organisms differentially equipped to survive and reproduce in the aftermath).
His citations of others' lists, and his own additions, would make a nice short list within which to frame--and limit--the debate.

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Message 227 of 517 (423341)
09-21-2007 11:38 AM
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09-20-2007 1:37 PM


Re: Hoot Mon's Natural Selection Thread
Admin, if there is no additional interest in Hoot Mon's natural selection PNT, I'll withdrawn my own--solitaire clay pigeon shoots are not my favorite sport.
Perhaps Hoot Mon can propose a more precisely targeted objection to the standard understanding of natural selection instead--his idiosyncratic views on sexual selection have already been dead-horse flogged.

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Message 228 of 517 (423354)
09-21-2007 1:20 PM
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09-21-2007 11:38 AM


Re: Hoot Mon's Natural Selection Thread
Based on Hoot Mon's recent response in the PNT forum, his main purpose is to object to terminology he justifiably finds loose.
Mea culpa.
I see no reason for a full thread about a terminological quibble: I agree that it makes more sense to speak of an instance or process of natural selection, for example, rather than "forces" of evolution or natural selection.
I don't see what else there is to say.
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Message 308 of 517 (588416)
10-25-2010 1:19 PM
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10-25-2010 1:06 PM


Re: How Does Instinct Evolve?
I'd particularly like to correct his misapprehensions about the swallow arrival and departure seasons.

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Message 310 of 517 (588530)
10-26-2010 12:30 PM
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10-26-2010 12:24 PM


Re: How Does Instinct Evolve?
He has a flashier presentation here.
Please, Admin, can we have him?
If he falls short of standards, put him in Free For All.

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Message 314 of 517 (588609)
10-26-2010 7:56 PM
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10-26-2010 7:07 PM


Re: About How Does Instinct Evolve?
I'll be so good--and so chock full of content!--you'll think I'm Herbivorous.

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Message 316 of 517 (588614)
10-26-2010 8:20 PM
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10-26-2010 8:08 PM


Re: About How Does Instinct Evolve?
Yes, I am anxious to perform this kindness. Suppose he spouted his nonsense at a proper table?!
Inviting him in for a quiet word is the only decent thing to do.

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Message 411 of 517 (633600)
09-15-2011 12:05 AM


Dr A's Geology Offer
I just wanted to express my interest in Dr Adequate's offer to author an intro to geology.
I have no doubt he would do cogent work, and the experiment with crowd-sourced improvements would be fascinating.

"The brakes are good, the tires are fair."

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Message 416 of 517 (633769)
09-16-2011 10:41 AM


Let Dr Adequate Rock
Most of us (not all) are armchair evolutionists without relevant professional qualifications--yet we all expound repeatedly, at length, on this complex subject.
I see no reason why Dr A shouldn't enjoy the same privilege with respect to geology. He has already stated his willingness to listen to and incorporate evidence/source-based critiques, whether from professionals or fellow amateurs. If he posts errors, we will all learn from the process; treating the matter as a peer-reviewed or pre-screened publication will simply slow things down and deny us all an opportunity for crowd-sourced, participatory learning.
After all, he proposes to write a series of posts on introductory geology for which he takes responsibility, not to publish a book with the imprimatur of EvC. A standard disclaimer should satisfy any doubts in that regard.
If other members wish to register dissatisfaction with the result, give them a peanut gallery. I understand those are popular.

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Message 417 of 517 (633780)
09-16-2011 12:14 PM
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09-16-2011 10:13 AM


Re: Toward a Theory of Design
designtheorist writes:
Discussion of the Big Bang is part of the theory of origins. It is also part of the theory of evolution. You cannot discuss animals without discussing their habitat and where they came from.
Abiogenesis is also part of the theory of evolution, it is the very start. Abiogenesis may be the portion of the evolutionary theory which is truly falsifiable.
Not an auspicious beginning: a handful of wrong in every bite.

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Message 467 of 517 (771250)
10-22-2015 9:09 PM


Should the rest of the world adopt Islam's view of the inequality of women?
Please don't put my panties in a twist by promoting this piece of crap. Let GIA carry the burden of argument where GIA began it.*
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*Respecting by pronoun absence GIA's gender mystery, although it seems a Bizarro Planet version of innocence...

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Message 471 of 517 (771312)
10-24-2015 10:02 AM
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10-23-2015 10:47 AM


Re: GIA's Latest Thread Proposal
After mulling it over a few days, I decided I should clarify my position. I'm aware this isn't intended as a debate thread, and I'll limit myself to this one clarification.
I have no desire to suppress any discussions. In fact, the topic GIA proposes in his new thread was already under discussion in his existing thread: the two threads are mirror images, halves of GIA's dilemma:
"Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka?" or "Should the rest of the world adopt Islam's view of the inequality of women?"
GIA's advocacy of the former led quite naturally to discussion of the latter. Unfortunately (for both GIA's case and the discussion), GIA made demonstrably counterfactual claims and then refused to defend them. Consequently, the thread became a joke field: for the failed discussion, read up to the pajamas; for the jokes, start with the pajamas. Darn good jokes, too.
So now GIA wishes to shake off the dust of that behavior--a refusal to support the unsupportable, i.e., the untrue--in favor of a thread which contains neither examples of GIA's willingness to misrepresent the facts, nor GIA's refusal either to defend them or acknowledge them as untrue.
Sure, GIA could turn to the Coffee House. Fine. But I thought the topic promotion process was intended for something more serious than sweeping the proposer's ongoing catastrophic failure to debate honestly on the same topic under the rug.
GIA should engage the challenges already made to the counterfactual claims, and then, if possible, make the case at hand. Letting GIA step from 'Should we let them beat their wives?' to 'Should we all beat our wives?' is absurd enough. Doing so when the active thread displays an embarrassingly cavalier disregard for the facts rewards dishonest debate.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
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