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Bolder-dash
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Message 364 of 517 (605495)
02-20-2011 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 363 by Dr Adequate
02-20-2011 10:11 AM


Charles Grodin has an autobiography out about his journey through show business. I forget the title, but I am sure you can find it online.
You really should read it.

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Bolder-dash
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Message 367 of 517 (605524)
02-20-2011 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 366 by Wounded King
02-20-2011 4:07 PM


You mean it is not clear that you have your mind made up about what evolution says?
Its ok for you to say that my arguments are strawmen, but heaven forbid that anyone should challenge your argument, is that it?
This is a debate forum WK, did you forget that part? If Dr. A starts slinging shit, and is allowed to sling shit, that is my problem. Maybe the problem is that he always slings slit, because that is all he does on this site.
You want to have a debate forum where no one is allowed to challenge your evolution premises? Why don't you just answer the question and clear it up than WK, instead of acting like you are afraid to have your position challenged. It seems to me you only want to debate with people you agree with. I got news for you, that is not a debate.
Its a fair point. Is it accurate to paint evolution as something other than an accident? I fully realize that with all the recent biological discoveries it is looking less and less like an accident, and that is why so many are reluctant to keep their chips in the accident side of the argument. But the essence of the Darwinian argument is accident, good ones work, and good ones don't. Are you trying to deny that?

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Bolder-dash
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Message 369 of 517 (605585)
02-21-2011 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 368 by crashfrog
02-20-2011 11:06 PM


mechanism
—noun
1.
an assembly of moving parts performing a complete functional motion, often being part of a large machine; linkage.
2.
the agency or means by which an effect is produced or a purpose is accomplished.
3.
machinery or mechanical appliances in general.
4.
the structure or arrangement of parts of a machine or similar device, or of anything analogous.
5.
the mechanical part of something; any mechanical device: the mechanism of a clock.
6.
routine methods or procedures; mechanics: the mechanism of government.
7.
mechanical execution, as in painting or music; technique.
8.
the theory that everything in the universe is produced by matter in motion; materialism. Compare dynamism ( def. 1 ) , vitalism ( def. 1 ) .
9.
Philosophy .
a.
the view that all natural processes are explicable in terms of Newtonian mechanics.
b.
the view that all biological processes may be described in physicochemical terms.
10.
Psychoanalysis . the habitual operation and interaction of psychological forces within an individual that assist in interpreting or dealing with the physical or psychological environment.
Which of these descriptions fits the "mechanism" of natural selection that you are trying to think of?
Maybe now I see the problem. I think you may be struggling a bit with what the word "mechanism" means.
You actually believe that NS is a construct of some kind. A machine perhaps. Or a physiocochemical process.
I think what might help is if you start think of a a physicochemical process as a physicochemical process, instead of thinking of Natural Selection as a phsicochemical process.
You know, its not always appropriate to just exchange one word for another word and assume it is going to mean the same thing. That's just a tip for you. It works sometimes, but not always. Do you know what Natural Selection means?
Maybe you can draw a picture of it?
Edited by Bolder-dash, : No reason given.

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Bolder-dash
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Message 371 of 517 (605594)
02-21-2011 2:08 AM
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02-21-2011 1:46 AM


2. the agency or means by which an effect is produced or a purpose is accomplished.
Oh good, now we are finally getting something we can sink our teeth into and debate. First, we now know that an effect is produced (we of course know that it can't be a purpose, because evolution is purposeless, so it must be an effect).
And that effect is that some organisms are living longer than others, while some are dying faster and reproducing less.
So what is that agency or means by which these organisms are living longer and reproducing more, while some are living shorter or reproducing less?

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