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zi ko
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Message 351 of 517 (601396)
01-20-2011 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 348 by nwr
01-18-2011 7:57 PM


this problem i had discussed it with myself. maybe trees have some way of internal and external communication!
it is true. in my theory learnig and evolution are entirly intermingled.learning is a prodromal function which leads lately to evolution' without leaning we can't have evolution.and we should'nt forget, both are taking place inside neural system

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zi ko
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Message 352 of 517 (601402)
01-20-2011 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 350 by Panda
01-18-2011 8:30 PM


question 1:feeling and knowing of enviromental ghanges is the first part of the long act of evolution.these are exactly one of main function of neural system.
2: i realised the danger of restricting my theory to individual evolving. that is why i resorted to empathy.
empathy has nothing to do with genetic diseases.
by empathy only emotional experiences are transmitted and mainly those who help survival and as a general feeling.
i am much obliged and thankfull for your comments.

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zi ko
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Message 357 of 517 (601611)
01-22-2011 2:16 AM
Reply to: Message 353 by nwr
01-20-2011 11:42 AM


nwr writes:
zi ko writes:
maybe trees have some way of internal and external communication!
Internal communication - plant hormones.
External communication - presumably pollen distribution via wind or insects.
Plants have a rather different lifestyle from animals, so they don't have the same communication needs.
thannks! this is what i am saying.
zi ko writes:
it is true. in my theory learnig and evolution are entirly intermingled.
I consider evolution to be a kind of learning. But it is not intermingled with what we ordinarily consider to be learning. The idea that they are intermingled sounds Lamarckian, and is pretty well refuted.
i see learning as very deep and wide proccess, not as ordinarrily we consider it. it is knowing, feeling, understaning, elaborating about somebody's experiences and results of his actions upon himself and so on. even collective subconcious and archetypes, inherrited to next generations(Carl Young), is a kind of learning. maybe intermingled is not the right word.i would rather say that evolution is the extension ,the final stage of knowledge.
zi ko writes:
learning is a prodromal function which leads ...
I had to look up prodromal. Having looked it up, I am still unclear on what you mean there.
it is what i had said before

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Message 358 of 517 (601614)
01-22-2011 3:08 AM
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01-20-2011 1:58 PM


Panda writes:
zi ko writes:
i realised the danger of restricting my theory to individual evolving. that is why i resorted to empathy.
empathy has nothing to do with genetic diseases.
by empathy only emotional experiences are transmitted and mainly those who help survival and as a general feeling.
If only emotional experiences are inherited, what emotions do trees have?
And what effect do these empathetically transmitted emotions have on the progeny
plants have a different life style from animals.so their way of communication is different. different of course are their emotions as well. we can not be sure that they don't exist.
empathetically transmitted emotional ejperiences are ebout the same by what Carl Young had suggeste by collective subconscious and archetypes inherited to next generations.
they form, with others, the basis for the oncoming evolutional changes.
Currently, it simply sounds like you are describing a parent educating its child about the world.
learninig has many facets. this is a one.empathic learning is deeper, more lasting and drastic as refers to evolution. it is what is connecting old and new species generations.
What is the difference between empathic inheritance and education?
education is a conscious function. empathic inheritance is mainly unconscious.

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