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Author Topic:   Trilobites, Mountains and Marine Deposits - Evidence of a flood?
Jazzns
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Message 175 of 518 (490104)
12-02-2008 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Architect-426
12-01-2008 11:53 PM


Crank support even worse than YECs
http://www.nealadams.com/challenge.html

LOL. You cite as support the comic book artist who created Batman and X-men?

This guy is legitimatly insane. He believes the earth is hollow and expanding like a balloon. In order to make all that work "scientifically" you have to believe that all existing scientific theories are wrong.

He actually says this.

Seriously...

He is a total crank. If anyone wants to hear an interesting interview with this guy. Check out this podcast.

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/skepticsguide/podcastinfo.asp?pid=51

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Jazzns
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Message 178 of 518 (490135)
12-02-2008 4:09 PM
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12-02-2008 3:31 PM


Re: Crank support even worse than YECs
Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't we SEEN subduction in action via submersibles?

I would be quite shocked if this was something we could observe in "live" action in the same way that we don't ever really observe plates moving in that way. It just plain happens too slowly.

We can measure things over semi-longer periods of time though such as the elevation of the Rockies and Everest and the distance of the plates with respect to each other. Plotted over time you get your movement.

But there is also lots of historical evidence for plate tectonics which I might call the "primary" evidence. Bio-geography, fossils, shared geology across the Atlantic, etc were things we discovered that led to plate tectonic theory long before we had the tools to actually "see" the continents moving.

I mean, it takes a crank to deny subduction when we have videos of it.

Neil Adams is the kind of crank that makes you regret throwing the word "crank" around too much to describe other people. I think the biggest part of it has to be that it is pretty obvious that this guy actually believes his nonsense. Neil Adams literally is one very fragile thread away from being on the same level as www.timecube.com. He makes creationists seem quite reasonable by comparison.

I would highly recommend listening to the podcast. Not only is it a great podcast in general, this interview with Adams is one of the most entertaining interviews the SGU has done.

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Jazzns
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Message 183 of 518 (490153)
12-02-2008 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by anglagard
12-02-2008 6:37 PM


Re: One Way to Observe Plate Movement
Just a thought. Seems to me that plate movement can be observed, just not on the regular human timescale.

Exactly.

You could also mention the physical scale. Subduction in particular doesn't happen at a location that could be "filmed". It happens over massive distances and at quite some depth.

Also, if I can recall correctly, on top of the subduction boundary will be a pileup of material that essentially gets scraped off the top of the plate as it gets subducted called an accretionary wedge (forgive my spelling). So even if you wanted to "watch" the subduction it is in fact buried beneath a vast amount of tons of ... well ... stuff.

Again IIRC, Indonesia itself is an accretionary wedge so these things can be quite big.

I think plate tectonics is on topic in the sense that it is the reason for the mountain building, so I guess demonstrating that it does happen by talking about subduction is okay, but we may be slightly stepping into different territory.

The take home point is, crazy Batman guy aside, plate tectonics does happen AND is sufficient to account for mountain building. That is a fact that needs to be accomodated by any model claiming to accuratly describe the history of the earth.

Even if someone wants to argue about forces and equations and such, which seems pretty easy to debunk, although I am not sure it has been done yet comprehensivly enough, which I will leave to the physics minded folks; mountains building regions correspond directly with convergent plate boundaries. Either that is a coincidence or someone's math is wrong.

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