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Author | Topic: Trilobites, Mountains and Marine Deposits - Evidence of a flood? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
edge Member (Idle past 449 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Well, the known mechanism for a Bouma sequence is a sediment-loaded current (density current) flow downslope onto the floor of the ocean. The Faith scenario is that the sediments have to flow upslope onto the continent. I don't know of a mechanism for this unless we repeal gravity. Perhaps one could imagine a mud-volcano type of event, but that would not produce widespread, even and parallel layers in anyone's imagination. The only thing that really makes sense is a continuous but irregular transgression of the sea working sediments that move down from the land mass. And this is what we see today.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 187 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
First, beach sand gets deposited on a slight upslope. Second the Flood water is what rose over the land carrying the sediments. Stir sediments into a vessel of water and let them settle out. They will settle out in layers.
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edge Member (Idle past 449 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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Well, first of all, the atmosphere cannot hold that much water vapor.
Actually, no. You speak of two events: weathering and transport. Most of what we talk about erosion here is the latter, but typically, rocks must be weathered extensively before they turn to sand and silt. Mudflows form from the saturation and destabilization of previously weathered material. What Moose correctly observes, is that weathering precedes erosion and can take a very long time. A rainstorm even for years will not turn granite into sand and mud. It takes millennia to form a soil on bedrock and to produce miles of soil would take millions of years of chemical reactions. The conclusion is that, even if you transport such amounts of sediment into the sea and then back onto the land in a year, you could not possibly have created that much sediment by weathering between the creation of the earth and the flood.
Sure, but you cannot produce miles of thickness of soil prior to the flood unless the earth was millions of years old. Even then, I kind of doubt that it could happen. Granites exposed in the Colorado high country show only minor chemical attacks even though they have been exposed to the atmosphere along fractures for thousands of years. Edited by edge, : No reason given.
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined: |
They won't. Try it.
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edge Member (Idle past 449 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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Well, I'd say that it depends on which direction you are looking. But actually, I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
I'm beginning to see how you've got Walther's Law all bollixed up. Can you show us streams that carried the sediments up-slope onto the land?
Not exactly. You get grading of sediments, not layering. Layering occurs when you wait for a while (maybe a few hundred years) and then do it again.
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Taq Member Posts: 8453 Joined: Member Rating: 8.6 |
There have been more than 40 days and nights of rain since then, and nowhere near the amount of erosion that you are trying to claim.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 148 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
At high tide during storms. It can also be eroded. I have watched both at my parents house. I always wanted to mount a camera to show the shore at low tide to show the changing nature of an active shoreline. You can also get some sand blown up from the shore at low tide when it is dry. This is what builds dunes, not water, over long expanses of time. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 187 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Steady heavy rain for forty days and nights ALL OVER THE WORLD? No.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 187 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Nothing I've said implies deposition upslope. That's a straw man.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 187 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You cannot impose your uniformitarian assumptions on the pre-Flood world.
There was water "above the firmament" before the Flood. There was no granite in the pre-Flood world because no volcanoes. Among other things.
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It's like, the Laws of Physics were different, or something...
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edge Member (Idle past 449 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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Well, if you have an alternative, this would be a good time to tell us. How was the 'pre-flood world' different?
Evidence?
So you don't believe in the 'genesis granite' of Gentry, good. However, how do you explain granites below the Great Unconformity?
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edge Member (Idle past 449 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Well, maybe you could add some details to make things clearer. Okay so you want to move sediments from the bottom of the ocean up onto the continents. How do you do that without going 'up'?
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edge Member (Idle past 449 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Is that what the bible says? Okay, where was there rain forty days and nights? Where was there no rain for forty days and nights? There must be some evidence of where the storm was strongest. Or are you just making this up as you go?
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 187 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Which I understand to mean that there was no place on earth where it didn't rain for forty days and nights.
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