How to feed and keep the animals on the Ark?

Let's see - rain is usually fresh water, neh? And practically the entire list above, except for a few sorts of fish, will die or even "explode" in ten minutes in fresh water. So by what magickal mechanism do we preserve saltwater environments in a freshwater flood? Or, equally important, fresh water environments in all-covering seas? How 'bout those corals, which require clean salt water and sunlight to survive? Where did they hang out for a year of Flud?

Hi, I am sorry, but I don’t know this.Your reply suggests that you find it difficult to believe that someone doesn’t know this, so please be helpful and perhaps post some evidence to support this instead of making sweeping generalisations, thank you. OK, let me do your work for you. Look at Genesis 7:14&15.They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

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And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.There are so many errors in this it is difficult to know where to begin, but here goes!‘They, and every beast after his kindCreationists still haven’t been able to satisfactorily define what a ‘kind’ is.‘And all the cattle after their kind’Ok, do we take from this that cattle aren’t beasts?
What exactly is a ‘beast’?
What are ‘kinds’ of cattle?
By the earlier argument you would only need one ‘kind’ of cattle.‘and they went in unto the Ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.’What you and your psuedo-biblical scholars at AiG need to concentrate on is the phrase ‘breath of life’.From Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.Genesis 6:17 ‘And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.You can obviously see here that God had intended to kill everything that is in the earth here, there is no distinction between the land and the sea creatures. Everything that God created has ‘the breath of life’ in it, God breathed life into every creature he created. This is basic Sunday School stuff, it only takes a little time to find these things out. You should be studying things for yourself and not taking articles on AiG as being the final word on anything. If anything, you should read everything on AiG with a sceptical eye because their scientific and biblical scholarship is consistently poorNext, Genesis 7:21-23. And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. The grammar in the first line is amazing, ‘both’ of fowl, and of cattle and of beast, couldn’t the bible authors count?Anyway, look at the final line, ‘and only Noah remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.’If it wasn’t in the Ark, it died.The sceptic’s caricature that the answersingenesis website is a source of faulty science and biblical scholarship is completely accurate. Thanks for agreeing.Brian.

Hi, This is astounding, how these people at AiG keep getting away with their remarkably ignorant scholarship is beyond my comprehension.They give two examples and apply it across the board!I would like them to try and compare the physiology of trout and salmon to that of
Mbana cichlids or someof the nice little tetras. LOLLet me think about it, could a cardinal tetra live is salty water at a temperature of less than 20 degrees?Another example of the poor scholarship of the AiG 'experts'. Whales are not dependant on water for breathing at all, they breathe air, so what is the point of mentioning this.The AiG people treat their readers as if they are idiots. Whales do not require clean water to breathe, but the food that whales eat DO require lean water to live in.

Anyone who has ever cruised for any period of time knows how hard it is to keep fresh food aboard. The pervasive dampness and lack of refrigeration quickly rots your vittles. One year afloat, without any way to reprovision, would have everyone eating everyone and everything else on board.
Look at the records of seafaring in the last couple of centuries. Stale, weavil infested bread, rotting meat, water casks full of algae and undrinkable. And these guys got to reprovision every once in a while. And let's not even think about the pounding, rolling and hobby-horsing of the vessel that would have destroyed water casks, soaked the fodder with salt water and broken bones.
Oh, and could someone explain to me how carnivores survived for a year, not eating all the succulent herbavores all around them?

Hi,
You surely know that speciation happens very quickly????

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Your reply suggests that you find it difficult to believe that someone doesn’t know this, so please be helpful and perhaps post some evidence to support this instead of making sweeping generalisations, thank you.

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Creationists still haven’t been able to satisfactorily define what a ‘kind’ is.

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It's how speciation isn't evolution. "Kinds"
are lizards or worms etc. etc....

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And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

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The grammar in the first line is amazing, ‘both’ of fowl, and of cattle and of beast, couldn’t the bible authors count?

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Anyway, look at the final line, ‘and only Noah remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.’

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If it wasn’t in the Ark, it died.

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The sceptic’s caricature that the answersingenesis website is a source of faulty science and biblical scholarship is completely accurate.

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You should read your own verse. It says nothing about animals in the seas dying does it?

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look at the final line, ‘and only Noah remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.’

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And look at the full verse and from one verse you try to justify your belief. The rest of the verse makes no mention of sea creatures does it?The one part you refer to above obviously only refers to ground creatures if you look at the FULL verse.

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Please expand upon this statement just a little. Is "mammals" one of these "kinds", for instance?

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How many species of insect are there in the world, messenjaH?

And how many phyla of "worms?"

messenJah, Sorry Mark

Hi, That's it! I have to read the entire website, or could you summarise it. Is everything on this website accurate, can I take it that everything on this site is a fact?Since you appear to be convinced that speciation happens quickly, what is it that convinces you of this?What evidence do you have that dinosaurs have evolved?If dinosaurs evolved from dinosaurs, why are there still dinosaurs around today? Speciation is the appearance of a new species which came from another species? Isn't that what evolution claims? I am not a scientist so I need help here, could you define speciation and then define evolution and perhaps inform me what the difference is? Thanks I wish you had read my entire message and addressed the points I had asked you about.You failed to address the all important 'breath of life' which when applied to this refernce explains why sea creatures would need to be on the Ark. You have to look NOT at the full VERSE but at the entire story, remember that the Jews didn't split their Bible up into chapters and verses, the Christians did this to the Old Testament, so read the whole story for a better understanding.When the redactor edited and spliced together the two existing flood accounts, he intended the Noah narrative to read as ONE story, NOT little unconnected snippets like you suggest. You cannot take ANY line from the narrative and ignore the rest of the account. Why ignore Genesis 6:17 ‘And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.This text clearly tells us that it is everything that is under heaven that will be destroyed. You do realise that by asserting primacy of ANY line then you are negating another part of the text. If it is only land animals that are to die then you are suggesting that it is only land animals that live 'under heaven'You have completely ignored the references I gave to support my argument.Brian.

Interesting that you guys choose to focus on the definition of 'kinds', when you cant even agree on what really constitutes a 'species'.

Not so. The Speciation FAQ at Observed Instances of Speciation defines "species" as a reproductive community. Of course the question is how do you determine the limits of a given reproductive community, especially from the fossil record.What a species is, however, is very well-defined. Determining what belongs to what species is not entirely an exact science, though.There's at least 4 techniques for determining species on that page alone. There's never been, to my knowledge, a way to determine between different "kinds".