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Message 10 of 199 (417953)
08-25-2007 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Rob
08-25-2007 3:21 PM


Re: somebody put the monkey in a cage please...
Sorry Rob, but in my defense I believe you must also acknowledge that I also support my assertions.


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Message 33 of 199 (420652)
09-08-2007 10:03 PM


On Rob's extended suspension
I really think extending Rob's suspension is unwarranted. He is just doing the best he can.

While I agree it is reasonable to point out when they are off topic or posting irrelevancies or nonsense like the POTM post or misrepresenting just to have it on record for others reading the threads, I don't think it is reasonable to sanction them for doing so. They are incapable of behaving otherwise.

The value of folk like Rob lies in creating an opportunity for others to present messages that support positions. Remember it is not Rob folk are actually replying to but rather the far larger audience that reads the board yet seldom or never post.


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Message 35 of 199 (420659)
09-08-2007 10:47 PM
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09-08-2007 10:36 PM


Re: On Rob's extended suspension
You didn't mention the misconduct that resulted in the extension of Rob's suspension.

I didn't mention it because it is simply a continuation of the same behavior. I simply don't think it is possible for him to follow the rules and I think it is unreasonable to expect any different behavior.


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Message 54 of 199 (421311)
09-12-2007 12:05 AM


An example of why the double standard is needed.
I agree with Moose's suspension of bluegenes even though there is a high probability that what he said is the truth, while allowing Ray to continue pointless and false accusations in thread after thread. We know that the evo's are capable of behaving in a civilized manner and so they should be held to a higher standard.

example

another example


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Message 60 of 199 (421461)
09-12-2007 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by molbiogirl
09-12-2007 7:13 PM


HEWG is doing all he can
He is simply behaving like the typical Biblical Christian. We need to understand that behavior such as his is the norm and about all they are capable of. It is unrealistic to expect any different behavior from a YEC or Biblical Christian.


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Message 64 of 199 (421511)
09-12-2007 11:51 PM


Highestevolvedwhiteguy's suspension
I don't think that Highestevolvedwhiteguy should have been suspended just for calling someone a shit cracker or being abusive. He is just a Biblical Christian and it is unreasonable to expect even civilized behavior from him, much less reason or rationality.

Come on, it was in a thread about "Aliens in the Bible" for crying out loud. How can you expect reason from someone who puts forth such a ridiculous thread in the first place.


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Message 80 of 199 (421836)
09-14-2007 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by AdminBuzsaw
09-14-2007 5:45 PM


Re: brenna's suspension
I agree Buz. Brenna should be held to a far higher standard than the Biblical Christians, ID supporters, YECs or OECs. We know that Brenna is capable of civilized behavior and so she should be held to that standard. That is why the Biblical Christians need to be allowed to call people morons or say that they should be taken out and shot while others are suspended for minor infractions.


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Message 86 of 199 (421849)
09-14-2007 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by AdminBuzsaw
09-14-2007 8:09 PM


Re: Take It Elsewhere
I'm sorry but in case you didn't notice this thread is "General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures 12.0" and what I am discussing is Moderator Procedures.

Just a hint: this is the right place to discuss moderation procedures and the fact that AdminBuzsaw can't understand that simply supports my contention that we should not try to hold Biblical Christians to the same standards as evolutionists.

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin


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Message 88 of 199 (421872)
09-14-2007 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by AdminBuzsaw
09-14-2007 9:11 PM


Re: Take It Elsewhere
Sorry AdminBuzsaw but THIS is the place to discuss Moderation Procedures.

Is there some reason you wish to censor discussing the behavior of Admins and Moderators or are you really not capable of understanding that this actually is the place for such discussion?

In addition I try hard to never demean other members, but only address the content of posts or behavior. Please stop making such false allegations.


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Message 90 of 199 (421883)
09-14-2007 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Adminnemooseus
09-14-2007 10:03 PM


Re: Adminnemooseus thinks it should have a topic of its own
So the thread for discussing moderation procedures is not the place to discuss moderation procedures?


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Message 92 of 199 (421887)
09-14-2007 10:14 PM
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09-14-2007 10:08 PM


Re: Take It Elsewhere
Well if anything I have said is considered an attack on the individual I sincerely apologize. My intent is simply to try to allow everyone to have an opportunity to present the best defense of their position that is possible.


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Message 99 of 199 (421978)
09-15-2007 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Adminnemooseus
09-14-2007 10:03 PM


Re: Adminnemooseus thinks it should have a topic of its own
Adminnemooseus writes:

Yes, your comment does pertain to moderation procedures and thus is proper for this topic.

Yet when I reply asking a simple question, "So the thread for discussing moderation procedures is not the place to discuss moderation procedures?", your response was to suspend me.

You also suggested a new thread to discuss the issue I have raised, and a threat to suspend anyone discussing that issue.

There was Message 90 where I asked a general question trying to get you to clarify your dictum in Message 89 and Message 92 where I simply pointed out that I try very hard never to address or attack personalities but only address messages and behavior.

Can you show in either of those posts where I did not follow your dictum?

However, if you will look at my posts after that I think you will find that I did NOT discuss the issue you suggested should go to a different thread.


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Message 116 of 199 (422332)
09-16-2007 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Adminnemooseus
09-14-2007 10:03 PM


Re: Adminnemooseus thinks it should have a topic of its own
As requested in Message 99, I would still like an explanation of why I was suspended.


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Message 118 of 199 (422392)
09-16-2007 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Adminnemooseus
09-16-2007 11:13 PM


Re: Why I suspended Jar
One thing I will say, it that it is my impression that you rather blatantly quote mined my message 89, in your message 99. You focused in on one sentence and disregarded what was said on either side.c

While you might think that, I followed your Dictum. I did not discuss the issue you proscribed and asked what I felt was a pertinent question, one you still have not answered. In addition, what you said in the suspension thread:

I asked Jar to take a specialized moderation issue to a new specialized topic. He chose to refuse the request and thus continued to contribute to the disruption of the topic.

is blatantly false.

So once again, was there a reason for my suspension?


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Message 120 of 199 (422398)
09-16-2007 11:43 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Adminnemooseus
09-16-2007 11:36 PM


Re: Why I suspended Jar
Had you started the new topic then, per my suggestion, the suspension and all the Jar / Adminnemooseus discussion between that message 89 and this current message would not have happened. Instead you chose to argue that the theme now in the new topic did belong in this topic. And etc.

I'm sorry but can you show me where I continued to argue that the theme now in the new topic belonged in this topic?

After your Dictum in Message 89 I posted two messages in this thread, Message 90 and Message 92. Where in those two messages did I discuss the proscribed issue? You don't have to answer that because the fact is, I did not continue discussing the issue.

As to creating the new PNT, I fear it actually takes me a while to get the wording the way I want. I'm sorry if I do not work fast enough to suit your standards.


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