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molbiogirl
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Message 61 of 199 (421468)
09-12-2007 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by AdminWounded
09-12-2007 7:22 PM


Thread #s
Thanks guys!

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RAZD
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Message 62 of 199 (421477)
09-12-2007 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by molbiogirl
09-12-2007 7:13 PM


tips
Further to DrJones' reply:
Where do I find this mysterious thread number?
From the url for this thread and Anglagards post:
... action=msg&f=19&t=469&m=1#55
Forum: f=19
Thread: t=469
Message: m=55 (the =1# is from the page setting)
now you can use these codings for the following:
Notice that the minus sign turns off the title of the forum, thread or message (subtitle)
happy dBCoding
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RAZD
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Message 63 of 199 (421479)
09-12-2007 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Chiroptera
09-12-2007 7:23 PM


Will someone remind me again why we suspended Rob?
It's a function of (annoyance)x(output)x(threads involved)/(content)
Actually the reason he was suspended was for ignoring a specific directive (and bringing such misbehavior to new heights).
Now when such behavior is rewarded with moderator action I wonder if the post shouldn't be hidden as a matter of policy (ie -- all "OFF TOPIC DO NOT RESPOND" marked posts and the like).
Edited by RAZD, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 64 of 199 (421511)
09-12-2007 11:51 PM


Highestevolvedwhiteguy's suspension
I don't think that Highestevolvedwhiteguy should have been suspended just for calling someone a shit cracker or being abusive. He is just a Biblical Christian and it is unreasonable to expect even civilized behavior from him, much less reason or rationality.
Come on, it was in a thread about "Aliens in the Bible" for crying out loud. How can you expect reason from someone who puts forth such a ridiculous thread in the first place.

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Rrhain
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Message 65 of 199 (421555)
09-13-2007 6:40 AM


To AdminPD regarding the "ramifications of omnipotence for God" thread
AdminPD writes in Message 206 of the "ramifications of omnipotence for God" thread:
quote:
Maybe you guys could spend the next 93 posts actually addressing the topic.
Did you read the thread before posting AdminPD? If so, you would have seen Message 187, written by sidelined, the person who came up with the topic of the thread:
I can assure you that the original poster is quiet content with this line of discussion since it relates directly to this question in the opening post.From post # 1 we have
sidelined writes:
Can God create all men with the capability of free will and obedience to him?
Since determining the point at which right and wrong were capable of being grasped by Adam and Eve directly relates to the freewill they were supposedly capable of then I fail to see how the original posters topic is being mis served.
Therefore, since the person who came up with the topic seems to think that we are on topic, I fail to see why you are complaining.
As I have stated at least twice in my past few points, the bone of contention between myself and pbee is whether or not obedience requires knowledge of good and evil. I say yes. He says no.
Now, I think the thread ought to shut down because I don't see either of us being able to convince the other and it is quite clear that we are merely repeating ourselves.
But it certainly isn't because we're off topic.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 66 of 199 (421567)
09-13-2007 7:51 AM


To pbee regarding the "ramifications of omnipotence for God" thread
pbee writes in Message 208 of the "ramifications of omnipotence for God" thread:
quote:
In those so called 90+ posts, I submitted hoards of appropriate information and references to support my arguments. So why a call for mediation? Does the board have a policy against a number of posts from a specific reader under one topic? Or are we seeing the results of specific members crying foul behind the scenes?
I see that you are fairly new to this board and thus may be unaware of some of the policies here. I realize that I am not an admin here, but perhaps I can be of some help.
Due to issues regarding the database and some general observations regarding how threads evolve over time, a thread is only allowed to go on for 300 posts. If the topic is still considered worthy of discussion by the participants, a new thread can be opened and the topic continued.
This has nothing to do with personal vendettas or anybody "crying foul behind the scenes." My comment about ninety-some posts remaining (and AdminPD's similar comment) had to do with the fact that we are at the 200-mark in the thread and have fewer than 100 posts left before the thread is closed for length. It seems to be just you and me and we keep coming back to the same point:
Does obedience require knowledge of good and evil? I say yes. You say no.
Is there really anything else to say?
Edited by Rrhain, : No reason given.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

EighteenDelta
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Message 67 of 199 (421609)
09-13-2007 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by RAZD
09-12-2007 8:42 PM


RAZD writes:
It's a function of (annoyance)x(output)x(threads involved)/(content)
The first problem I see in this equation is that you are dividing by zero...

"Debate is an art form. It is about the winning of arguments. It is not about the discovery of truth. There are certain rules and procedures to debate that really have nothing to do with establishing fact ” which creationists have mastered. Some of those rules are: never say anything positive about your own position because it can be attacked, but chip away at what appear to be the weaknesses in your opponent's position. They are good at that. I don't think I could beat the creationists at debate. I can tie them. But in courtrooms they are terrible, because in courtrooms you cannot give speeches. In a courtroom you have to answer direct questions about the positive status of your belief. We destroyed them in Arkansas. On the second day of the two-week trial we had our victory party!"
-Stephen Jay Gould

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RAZD
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Message 68 of 199 (421617)
09-13-2007 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by EighteenDelta
09-13-2007 11:42 AM


... you are dividing by zero...
okay, make it
suspension factor = (∑annoyance)x(# posts)x(# threads involved)/(∑content + 1)
For instance, my "rating" would be:
SFRAZD = (some)(8015)(27x50)/(lots) = occasional
Edited by RAZD, : new formula
Edited by RAZD, : example

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AdminPD
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Message 69 of 199 (421662)
09-13-2007 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Rrhain
09-13-2007 6:40 AM


Re: To AdminPD regarding the "ramifications of omnipotence for God" thread
Yes and I've been watching the discussion between you and pbee.
By your own comments you two are going around in circles and are at an impasse. This comment by you is what prompted me to shake the tree.
Rrhain writes:
Nice try. Now, since I've pointed out that we've reached an impasse and since you are accusing me of anti-Semitism, why don't you go along with my suggestion of letting this go?
So before the personal barrage of "yes I did" and "no you didn't" started I opted to suggest that you two redirect. I do feel that the long posts were pushing the envelope a bit even for what side was allowing.
Since people can get very attached to their line of discussion I suggested an option of summarizing.
If you both feel you are already addressing the topic, maybe you both could take the time to explain how your discussion fits in with the topic without repeating yourselves for the rest of us.
Would you rather I change the action and ding you two for going in circles and not moving the discussion forward?
The goal was to break the circle before it devolved into more personal and less topic.
Can you suggest a generic statement more suited for that purpose?

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kuresu
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Message 70 of 199 (421685)
09-13-2007 8:31 PM


brenna's suspension
I'm not sure I agree with the length of the suspension given brenna.
It'll take some searching, but I do believe she's mentioned previously that she cannot tell the difference between a capital and lower case letter. And as admin nem mentions, brenna has mentioned previously that she doesn't need/want to be scolded for not using capitalization. What other reaction can one expect from brenna aside from extreme aggravation?
Could she have expressed her anger better? Sure. Does her post demand a 12 hour suspension? No.
If anything, also suspend mark for goading. Seeing as how he's responsible for unleashing the ad hominem.
Also, his post doesn't fall in with AdminQ's warning:
Either contribute to this thread through reasoned discussion of the OP, or refrain from posting. No more warnings
. His post adds nothing to the debate. So why is he not suspended?
brenna
EvC Forum: People - I /was/ a Christian
mark24
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arachnophilia
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Message 71 of 199 (421716)
09-14-2007 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by kuresu
09-13-2007 8:31 PM


Re: brenna's suspension
And as admin nem mentions, brenna has mentioned previously that she doesn't need/want to be scolded for not using capitalization.
it's a bad habit the both of us have fallen into, but i don't think it's a moderat-able offense. it's just easier and faster to type like this, and less formal (in my opinion). granted, it looks kind of immature, but it's hard to start using the shift keys once you stop.
What other reaction can one expect from brenna aside from extreme aggravation?
Could she have expressed her anger better? Sure. Does her post demand a 12 hour suspension? No.
heh, well, since i'm one of her closest friends, i'll give my input here.
she is kind of an asshole on the board sometimes, and i'm pretty sure she knows it because i've told her so. the problem isn't that she's mean. she's actually a very sweet girl, one of the best sort of friends you could ever ask for. she doesn't take shit seriously here at all. the sort of language she got suspended for is the kinda stuff we throw back and forth in private conversation all the time -- i seriously doubt she's serious, or angry, or is saying things to be mean.
basically, i think she's just a little too laid back and doesn't watch what she says. i'm sure she'll correct me if i'm wrong. but i can't really argue against the suspension -- heck, i probably deserve to be suspended too


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Dr Adequate
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Message 72 of 199 (421725)
09-14-2007 2:39 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by kuresu
09-13-2007 8:31 PM


Re: brenna's suspension
I'm not sure I agree with the length of the suspension given brenna.
12 hours? You think it should be more, or what?
You remember how I was banned for a month?
I think that that was a bit over the top, but the fact is that the moderators have to be much harder on evolutionists than on creationists.
Remember the Gospel of Luke, chapter 12:
"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required."
I agree with Jesus: the moderators should give some slack to "he that knew not" (creationists) while passing a sterner judgement on "whomsoever much is given" (evolutionists).

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kuresu
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Message 73 of 199 (421811)
09-14-2007 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Dr Adequate
09-14-2007 2:39 AM


Re: brenna's suspension
Apparently my statement:
Could she have expressed her anger better? Sure. Does her post demand a 12 hour suspension? No
isn't clear enough. I was arguing for reducing the suspension.
It seemed to me to be an overly harsh punishment, especially given that Mark24 wasn't suspended (that I know of) for adding nothing to that debate (precisely what AdminQ said would get people suspended).
ABE:
just looked for the suspension thread and saw mark's name mentioned.
Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 74 of 199 (421816)
09-14-2007 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by arachnophilia
09-14-2007 12:27 AM


Re: brenna's suspension
that particular occasion really fucking pissed me off, actually. i was trying to be very calm about a difficult situation and express real and deep emotion to crash and this jerk comes in and tries to destroy everything i've said by attacking my chosen typeface. not to mention that this happened not even a few weeks ago with a very important and considered post and one of the very few i actually get to make withing my fucking field and nobody did anything about it.
at any rate, at least my short suspensions tend to coinside with naps or sleeptime and i've got shit to do anyways.
Edited by brennakimi, : Provide reason for edit here.

i'm not going to capitalize my posts, get better eyes.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 75 of 199 (421818)
09-14-2007 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Dr Adequate
09-14-2007 2:39 AM


Re: brenna's suspension
the moderators have to be much harder on evolutionists than on creationists.
i don't really qualify as either, and i kind of qualify as both.
the failure of moderators to behave responsibly and instead punishing people for being attacked is really not something i should expect just because i happen to deny YEC.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

i'm not going to capitalize my posts, get better eyes.

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