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Percy
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Message 511 of 543 (860784)
08-11-2019 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 499 by dwise1
08-10-2019 4:47 AM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
dwise1 writes:

2) a phone that I can actually use (which basically requires being able to copy files between the phone and my computer, something the Apple Store genius assured me cannot be done outside their update software (trying to use iTunes already too traumatic; I even only used the similar HTC program only once with my first smartphone because it was out of control).

Assuming your computer is a Mac with bluetooth then you just use AirDrop to transfer files back and forth to an iPhone.

If you have Windows then I guess you're stuck with iTunes. I've never tried it with my own Windows machine. What made it traumatic?

--Percy


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Theodoric
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Message 512 of 543 (860786)
08-11-2019 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 496 by dwise1
08-09-2019 11:57 AM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
I was a loyal Windows Phone user until I broke the screen on my Lumia 950. It is still the best phone I ever had. Right now I have Samsung Galaxy 8. I do like it. One thing I like about Android phones is that you can use different launchers. I use the Microsoft Launcher. In a sense it is what Windows phone may have been. Still not a Windows phone but kinda close.
The problem I have with Apple is that their ecosystem is completely closed. Their phone OS is mediocre at best and everything is locked down. If you go with a Samsung phone the security will be as good or better than Apple. Lately Apple has been a little slow in addressing security issues on their phones. That Apple products are safe from hackers and viruses is a fallacy. Also, they're Apple.
If you use an apple computer go with an iPhone. If you use Windows consider Android and Samsung is the best of that ecosystem
My 2 cents.

Edited by Theodoric, : final close


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 513 of 543 (860788)
08-11-2019 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 498 by Tanypteryx
08-09-2019 10:32 PM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
What hearing aids do you have? I have Phonak and I need an additional piece of hardware to bluetooth to my hearing aids. I think their new ones Bluetooth directly but I am not ready to spend another 4k for new hearing aids.
I live in ATT country. Actually nothing works well at my house. We are in a dead zone. In our yard we get 1 bar for ATT and Verizon nothing. In our house nothing. Probably caused by the metal roof. WIFI calling is essential for us.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 514 of 543 (860789)
08-11-2019 10:46 PM
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08-10-2019 4:47 AM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
Transferring your files is dependent on your computer. From your comments I doubt you have a Mac.
There is an app in the Windows store called Your Phone. It will sync an android phone to your computer. You can see texts and photos taken on the phone on the computer. I also use OneDrive so my pics automatically upload. I then can pull up any pic on my phone on my computer. Engineering and quality are only as good as the manufacturer. I find Samsung to be excellent. On the computer side I stick with ASUS now. I have a laptop from them for 3 years. Nary an issue. For tablets, if you are in the Windows ecosystem, Surface is the best hands down. Traded up from a 3 to 6 Pro last spring. It is amazing.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tanypteryx
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Message 515 of 543 (860793)
08-12-2019 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 513 by Theodoric
08-11-2019 10:35 PM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
Mine are Bernafon and they do have a small device that hangs around my neck that facilitates communication with my phone. I only turn it on when I get a call or want to listen to music or something. My hearing aids were $2400 at Costco. They have improved my life immensely.

There are still quite a few places where there is no cell coverage. We came over the Cascades on a really old highway this week and there was no signal all day...we stopped to shoot photos a lot.


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dwise1
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Message 516 of 543 (860796)
08-12-2019 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 511 by Percy
08-11-2019 9:10 PM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
Assuming your computer is a Mac with bluetooth then you just use AirDrop to transfer files back and forth to an iPhone.

Very bad assumption. The only half-way good experience I've ever had with a Mac was only because I used the BSD core and knew TCP/IP. Even at that, I had to dig deep to even find where Apple had tried to hide the shell (AKA "Terminal"). It was even harder to find the text editor. Now, what kind of POS computer would go to such extremes to hide the shell and the text editor? That just boggles the computer professional's mind.

If you have Windows then I guess you're stuck with iTunes. I've never tried it with my own Windows machine. What made it traumatic?

Of course I use Windows. As I said in Message 503:

DWise1 writes:

I'm a retired software engineer and during the last 31 years of my 36-year career I worked with MS-DOS and Windows systems plus some Linux. During that time helping family members, I had only one OK experience with Macs and that was only because I knew some TCP/IP and UNIX and could set the eMac up as an FTP server (he had overwritten his new printer drivers with the old OS9 drivers, so I downloaded the new driver from hP, but it was too big for USB drives at the time and the only way to get it into his eMac was via FTP) and all the others were horrific. Engineers I was working with whose spouses had insisted on a Mac at home had similar horror stories of trying to help her with her Mac. Our consensus was that Apples are meant for people who don't know how to use computers and not for people who do.

So if I had an iPhone I'd have to use iTunes? Well that settles that for good, then!

iTunes didn't make any sense. I knew what I needed to do, but I had to search through drop-down menus whose menu items offered no clue what they led to. Then the sequence of operations was so cumbersome. And to make matters worse, one of the weekly updates took away the detailed view leaving us nothing but the big-icon view without even any way to sort it -- absolutely unusable. The next update returned the detailed view and I have absolutely refused to accept any further update from then on. I have also stopped even trying to use iTunes for the past few years, choosing to charge my iPod Nano from another computer.


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Theodoric
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Message 517 of 543 (860802)
08-12-2019 8:41 AM
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08-12-2019 12:06 AM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
My Phonaks work the same way. I guess the newest models have bluetooth built right in so no need for hanging anything around the neck. My hearing aids were also a major improvement to my life.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Percy
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Message 518 of 543 (860804)
08-12-2019 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 516 by dwise1
08-12-2019 1:10 AM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
dwise1 writes:

Even at that, I had to dig deep to even find where Apple had tried to hide the shell (AKA "Terminal"). It was even harder to find the text editor.

I'm sorry you've had negative experiences with Mac, but I don't think this is a fair characterization. "TextEdit" and "Terminal" are both in the Applications directory, (though "Terminal" is actually in Applications/Utilities). They aren't hidden.

I'm not a Mac bigot. I use Linux for development and Windows for home type things like finance and email. I only started using Mac a few years ago when I started programming in Swift. Seems fine, and I like that my MacBook Pro, iPad and iPhone are all automatically in sync with texting, phoning, FaceTiming, music and photos.

So if I had an iPhone I'd have to use iTunes?

As I said, I've never used iTunes for communicating with a phone - I assumed you were correct that iTunes was the only alternative. I just gave connecting my Windows machine to to my iPhone a try and it doesn't really work. It wanted to connect via USB cable, and that's too inconvenient. Poking around the Internet I see a pay app called iMyPhone. Looks like iPhones and Windows just really don't talk using the native stuff.

--Percy


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dwise1
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Message 519 of 543 (860857)
08-12-2019 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 518 by Percy
08-12-2019 9:14 AM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
I'm sorry you've had negative experiences with Mac, but I don't think this is a fair characterization.

It is what it is. And I have learned from those experiences to opt out. I do still like my iPod Nano. I loved the "click wheel" and was disappointed with my cable TV remote for not having such a useful feature. In my opinion, getting rid of the click wheel was a big mistake. When the battery in my iPod Nano finally dies, I hope I can still find a replacement for it on amazon.

"TextEdit" and "Terminal" are both in the Applications directory, (though "Terminal" is actually in Applications/Utilities). They aren't hidden.

Maybe now they're not, but they certainly were on the first-gen iMac nearly two decades ago, which is what I'm talking about. Like in that video I've offered, Why I don't use Apple products (don't know why the embedding doesn't work), he had gotten an iPhone to replace his BlackBerry on which he could copy and paste only to discovered that the iPhone didn't support copy-and-paste. Even though it does support that now doesn't mean that his statement and complaint are wrong because it didn't at the time he's talking about.

I'm not a Mac bigot. I use Linux for development and Windows for home type things like finance and email. I only started using Mac a few years ago when I started programming in Swift. Seems fine, and I like that my MacBook Pro, iPad and iPhone are all automatically in sync with texting, phoning, FaceTiming, music and photos.

So the main benefits you get from iStuff is playing around, plus developing ways of playing around, while your actual productive work is with non-Apple systems. And hasn't that been my main point? That when I want to get something done iStuff wouldn't do the job. Plus all my decades of training, knowledge, and experience would just get thrown out the window, because with iStuff I'd have to relearn how to do everything (and in an illogical manner, which would add insult to injury). Why would I want that?

Converting the US to the metric system would be a possible analogy. I know the metric system and like it much more than the US system. A couple quotes I collected for my upcoming page on the subject:

quote:
In the 2014 American-Swedish sit-com,
Welcome to Sweden, an American's Swedish fiancée is giving him directions over the phone:

She: Go 200 meters and turn right.
He: What's a meter?
She: It's like a yard only much more logical.


From Jerry Seinfeld's Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee, Christoph Waltz shopping in a Santa Monica hardware store for a measuring tape:

Waltz: I am trying to find something in centimeters.
Seinfeld: Why?
Waltz: Why? Because inches don't make sense.


In high school and college I worked part-time in construction. Every single time I had to take a measurement in 1/32 and 1/64 of an inch, I had to do fraction arithmetic in my head -- maybe if I had worked with those measurements every day I would have eventually memorized them, but needless to say I had to do the math every single time. First day on the job in Germany I was given a Meterstock and told to take a measurement and it was so incredibly easy. Then learning the simple equivalency based on water of the metric units of length, volume, and mass eliminated the need to track down an esoteric conversion table to solve certain problems (eg, how much water would a tank of certain dimensions contain and how much would it weigh?): 1 cubic centimeter is 1 milliliter and 1 ml water is 1 gram. Recently I handed a bag of 4 500-ml bottles of water to a friend just out of the hospital (so she was limited in how much she could lift) and she asked me how heavy it was: 2 liters of water is 2 kg which is about 4.4 lb, so I immediately told her that it was nearly but less than 5 lb, which was her limit. Also in physics class working in the MKS or cgs systems was very clean and straightforward, but the US foot-pound-second system was a cumbersome mess. Simple calculations and simple conversions, unlike the mess which is the US system.

So I am in favor of the US finally converting to the metric system, but I am also aware of some of the problems. Mainly, we have grown up being able to visualize the length, size, and heft of objects based on the US system, so that converting to metric would require us to learn those estimation skills all over again (like converting from real computers to Macs would require us to junk all our existing skills and require us to learn new ones). Also, there are certain set measurements that all tradesmen and bakers and cooks have learned and use every day at work which would either have to be converted and re-learned or else require a second set of special measurements in addition to metric. A third problem is in the transition when someone makes a mistake converting or using the wrong system of measurements and you end up with a Gimli Glider or a crashed spacecraft on Mars.

The last two might not apply to switching to iStuff, but the first one should. Switching to iStuff requires forgetting almost everything we have ever learned about using a computer and learning an entirely new system. Outside that analogy are the additional problems that iStuff is not as useful and productive and it operates within an isolated environment, so we go through all that trouble in order to get less.

An example is my friend's and my recent trips to Europe. Before the first trip, she got an iPad to use mainly for taking photos and was constantly cursing the estupido thing all the way across Austria and Germany. When we returned, we exchanged photos (she took about 10 times more than I did). Before the second trip (northern Italy) she got an iPhone X which seemed to work well, though she also still had the iPad and still cursed it. However, upon returning from that trip, we could not exchange photos because the iPhone now uses a proprietary graphic format that can only display on an iStuff device that's new enough to support that format. She can't even view those photos on her Windows 10 laptop without special third-party conversion software.


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dwise1
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Message 520 of 543 (860858)
08-12-2019 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 506 by PaulK
08-10-2019 3:16 PM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
Probably - but the Liquid Retina screen is just a very good LCD. I doubt that a good OLED screen is worse though, or Apple wouldn’t use them.

One of the problems with not being in the market is that they keep coming up with buzzwords that don't make any sense unless you've been in the market.

I kept hearing "Liquid Retina" associated with recent iPhones, so that's all I knew to ask about. I hadn't heard of OLED before this discussion.

Now in looking at a comparision table on Wikipedia (which I cannot find again right now), I saw that the iPhone X uses an OLED display.


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dwise1
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Message 521 of 543 (860860)
08-12-2019 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 512 by Theodoric
08-11-2019 10:26 PM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
I was a loyal Windows Phone user until I broke the screen on my Lumia 950. It is still the best phone I ever had.

A vibrant sub-industry in entertainment is product placement in which a show or movie displays and uses a product as a form of embedded advertising. In US movies and TV, almost every personal computer, laptop, tablet, or smartphone you ever see being used is a Mac, an iPad, or an iPhone. If that was all that you had to go by, you would think that everybody in the US uses Apple products and that none of their competitors exist.

But then in foreign productions, I can't say that I've ever seen an Apple product being used in product placement (I could be wrong, so anyone please correct me). In particular, in the French series, Marseille, all the computers used Windows 10 and all the smartphones were Windows phones.

Before the product placement opportunities, Apple did their own version by donating computers to schools. Their reasoning was that if you raise the children on Apple computers, then they will grow up to be Apple using adults. But what happened instead was that those kids grew up to be adults working for companies that used Microsoft software almost exclusively, so those kids had to learn how to use real computers and so the computers they bought for themselves were the must more reasonable ones compatible with what they used at work.

It might be interesting to see what the actual international market share figures are by country/region.


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dwise1
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Message 522 of 543 (860862)
08-12-2019 5:15 PM
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08-12-2019 9:14 AM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
DWise1 writes:

So if I had an iPhone I'd have to use iTunes?


As I said, I've never used iTunes for communicating with a phone - I assumed you were correct that iTunes was the only alternative.

Huh? I was responding to what I thought was you saying that iTunes was how the iPhone was supposed to connect. Guess I misunderstood you.

From what I understood talking with the genius at the Apple Store, there would be a program that I'd have to install on my Win10 box that would synchronize all the files -- that might be what Theodoric meant by a "launcher" (Message 512). Such a program came with my first smartphone, an Android, and I ran it only the one time and avoided it like the plague thereafter. It loaded things onto my phone that I did not want it to and it diddled with my hard disk without my consent and in ways which I most definitely did not like. And if that's the kind of "user friendly" experience that Apple offers, then I will most definitely opt out.


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dwise1
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Message 523 of 543 (860864)
08-12-2019 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 512 by Theodoric
08-11-2019 10:26 PM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
One thing I like about Android phones is that you can use different launchers. I use the Microsoft Launcher. In a sense it is what Windows phone may have been. Still not a Windows phone but kinda close.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I am (or was, since it's been more than a couple decades) very familiar with the MS-DOS loader and launcher process for an EXE file. But if I want to run an app on the phone, then I just tap the icon for that app. Why would I need to have anything running on my computer for that?

Are you talking about a program that would "sync up" my phone to my computer? I had that with my first phone, an Android, and it just crudely had its way with my hard drive without my consent. If I were to go with an iPhone then that is the kind of situation I would be forced into and that is one big reason to choose against an iPhone. Diddle me once, shame on you; diddle me twice, shame on me.


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Theodoric
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Message 524 of 543 (860866)
08-12-2019 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 522 by dwise1
08-12-2019 5:15 PM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
What the launcher on an android phone does is replace the default home screen. The Microsoft launcher is much more intuitive and use friendly than the standard launcher on most android phones. My wife has a Samsung galaxy too but I am constantly frustrated that the layout makes no sense. The apps aren't even automatically displayed in alphabetical order.
Most launchers are just cosmetic overlays. The Microsoft launcher is much more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Launcher
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/launcher

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 525 of 543 (860867)
08-12-2019 5:32 PM
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08-12-2019 5:28 PM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
OK, that makes sense now. I'll keep it in mind.
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