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Author Topic:   Global Flood Evidence: A Place For Faith to Present Some
Ratel
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Message 252 of 304 (293818)
03-10-2006 1:23 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by Faith
03-06-2006 11:00 PM


Re: No Claims Faith?
First of all, hi everyone, I've been lurking here for a while, and just thought I could attempt to bridge a misunderstanding about the grass issue. Hopefully this will help rather than harm the discussion.
The question was raised about what sort of distribution we should expect to see of grass in flood deposits. Faith, I believe you replied that the lower layers were absent any grass because they were primarily marine deposits, in other words, the grass environment wasn't fossilized until later in the progression of the flood waters.
The challenge for the global flood is that there are a great many layers that preserve *land* environments and vegetation- but grass doesn't appear until the very highest levels- the Cenozoic strata, I believe is what geologists call it. Before that we have different kinds of land plants of all sorts, cycads, ferns, sedges, etc., but no grasses (or grass seeds or pollen) until you get to those top layers. So do you see why that would cause us to question why a pattern like that exists? Wouldn't those grasses have been in the Permian, Triassic, Jurassic, and Cretaceous land environments? Why aren't they there, if these layers all represent the same period of time? That's one of the puzzles the global flood theory would have to overcome.
I'm coming from this as layman, like you are, so hopefully you won't feel I'm trying to talk over your head. I've also tried to keep this post focused on the "Global Flood Evidence" topic rather than put forth evidence for mainstream geology.

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Ratel
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Message 260 of 304 (293859)
03-10-2006 5:13 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by Faith
03-10-2006 2:31 AM


running grass
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These puzzles are not of interest to me. How would I know why they sorted themselves as they did? How would anyone know? The Old Earth people don't have to work very hard. They can just decide, oh well this is proof that grasses evolved later, case closed.
  —Faith
Okay, fair enough. I find the history of life on earth fascinating, so I guess we have to part company here.
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But what you are calling "land environments" already reflects the assumptions of the OE frame of reference. To a floodist these aren't "environments" of course. Floodists may think along lines of the layers' representing sediments and living things from different originating geographic areas that were conveyed in different water currents to their final location. In that frame of reference the grasses were carried in currents that finally deposited in the top layers. Why? I don't know. Creationists have ideas, but how would anyone know for sure?
  —Faith
Well, aside from the fact that some YE Creationists do believe that the various strata represent discrete environments, perhaps I should have said "strata in which the specimens all represent land dwelling flora and fauna". So that phrasing wouldn't presuppose OE, but I don't think the first did, either.
Alright, that's all I wanted to say.

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