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doctrbill
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Message 1 of 36 (266081)
12-06-2005 1:24 PM


I'd never heard of this "theory." Sounds very wrong to me, but then astrophysics is not my specialty.

Anyone care to take it on?

Here's the excerpt which inspired me, from In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood
(7th Edition) by Dr. Walt Brown.:

quote:
The Origin of Asteroids and Meteoroids
SUMMARY: The “fountains of the great deep” launched rocks as well as muddy water. As rocks moved farther from Earth, Earth’s gravity became less significant to them, and the gravity of nearby rocks became increasingly significant. Consequently, many rocks, assisted by their mutual gravity and surrounding clouds of water vapor, merged to become asteroids. Isolated rocks in space are meteoroids. Drag forces caused by water vapor and thrust forces produced by the radiometer effect concentrated asteroids in what is now the asteroid belt. The so-called mavericks of the solar system (asteroids, meteoroids, and comets) resulted from the same event.

And here's the link: http://www.creationscience.com/Asteroids2.html#wp1020216

A few Questions:
Q. Can water be used as a medium to propel rocks into space?
Q. Can the "radiometer effect" guide asteroids into stable orbit?
Q. Does Quartz melt at 1300 degrees Fahrenheit?
Q. Is a mechanical engineer qualified to discuss Astrophysics?

My Answers: No, No, No, and No. But, as I say, this is not my field of expertise.

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doctrbill
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Message 6 of 36 (266120)
12-06-2005 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by crashfrog
12-06-2005 2:36 PM


Thanks Crash.

That's an interesting bit of astro-trivia I'd never heard about but am happy to know.

I'm sure MY mechanical engineer doesn't have the answer! One might say his theory is "all wet." :D


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Message 7 of 36 (266122)
12-06-2005 3:35 PM
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12-06-2005 2:37 PM


Thanks for the prompt reply.

I agree with your responses, of course, even the last one; to which I must say: My field is Life Science, my degree is Biology, but I'm a dangerously atheistic Bible Thumper. :D


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Message 8 of 36 (266123)
12-06-2005 3:40 PM
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12-06-2005 3:23 PM


Re: Melting point of Quartz
Guess I'm going to have to review the article now to see if our guy may have been referring to just that. But I don't believe he was. I got the distinct impression that he was talking about the temperature of fusion. I used to play with quartz powder, fusing it into globules for use in homemade jewelry so when I saw that temp. for the melting point of quartz I figured our guy for a crackpot.

Later then.


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Message 9 of 36 (266125)
12-06-2005 3:53 PM
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12-06-2005 3:23 PM


Re: Melting point of Quartz
It would appear that I was correct. Here it is, copied and pasted:
quote:
As explained in Figure 132, temperatures eventually reached 1,300°F., sufficient to melt quartz and allow iron and nickel to settle downward and become concentrated in the pillar tips. (Quartz, the first major mineral in granite to melt, would dissolve or drip into the subterranean water.) A similar gravitational settling process concentrated iron and nickel in the Earth’s core. [See “Melting the Inner Earth” on page 357.]


And this somehow happened under water?

There is a page which supposedly explains how this happened. I'm not following the text very well, but the graphic is adequately revealing. How did he get these pictures, I wonder.

http://www.creationscience.com/FAQ217.html#wp1620018

db


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Message 13 of 36 (266218)
12-06-2005 9:31 PM
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12-06-2005 4:43 PM


Re: Quartz & Other minerals
I have as yet been unable to find any data online regarding the physical specifications of the materials you mention. Could you direct me to a source of such (preferably online)?


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Message 15 of 36 (266248)
12-06-2005 11:14 PM
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12-06-2005 10:00 PM


Do you think it's a spoof?


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Message 20 of 36 (266349)
12-07-2005 10:41 AM
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12-07-2005 12:59 AM


Re: I don't think it's a spoof
It is very much like something I was taught in Bible College, only more highly developed and to a different end.

What I was taught (re: an underground body of water) was in an attempt to explain how the earth could be uniformly warm. To wit: the water circulated from equator to poles and back. I recall wanting to see evidence of this circulatory system but then, it was presented as a speculation not as a scientific hypothesis. That makes it considerably different from what this fellow is trying to do.


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Message 21 of 36 (266351)
12-07-2005 10:57 AM
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12-07-2005 10:33 AM


Re: Quartz & Other minerals
That link requires membership but thanks for trying.


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Message 23 of 36 (266363)
12-07-2005 11:57 AM
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Re: Quartz & Other minerals
Thank you for that.
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Message 29 of 36 (278674)
01-13-2006 12:41 PM
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Re: I don't think it's a spoof
Hello Omnivorous one,

I agree. We have seen this brand of misguided sincerity many times before in this forum.

You introduce an interesting topic. Saw something on television recently which addressed the relationship between ocean temperature and hurricane strength. I don't know if the info is debatable but if it is, I would like to see a discussion of it.


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Message 30 of 36 (278676)
01-13-2006 12:49 PM
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01-13-2006 9:48 AM


What a wonderfully poignant insight. I had not even considered the question of orbital mechanics.

Correct me if I am wrong but couldn't he counter this argument by suggesting that those rocks which didn't meet the velocity requirements simply fell back to earth or became otherwise lost in space?


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