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crashfrog
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Message 241 of 302 (368107)
12-07-2006 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by randman
12-06-2006 11:46 PM


Re: no lies about you
That's great, Randman, we're all very impressed with your enormous opinion of yourself, but a considerable amount of evidence has been presented to you in that thread, and a number of us spectators are waiting for you to deal with it. Do you think that, now that the good Dr. is no longer there to distract you, you could get back to the evidence that you haven't addressed?

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Message 242 of 302 (368109)
12-07-2006 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by crashfrog
12-07-2006 12:16 AM


Re: no lies about you
like what?....I am the one asking for peer-reviewed studies addressing a specific point, and no one is providing them.

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crashfrog
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Message 243 of 302 (368113)
12-07-2006 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by randman
12-07-2006 12:21 AM


Re: no lies about you
It's not on-topic in this thread, but I was specifically referring to messages 51, 53, 65, 80, 88, largely by Wounded King, but you also completely ignored Dr. Adequate's message 95 except to quote a largely irrelevant part of it and reassert exactly the contention that the good Dr. had just refuted.
That's largely what I was referring to. A large amount of peer-reviewed information has been presented to you (contrary to your assertion) and many of us are still waiting for you to address it - in the proper thread, of course. Hopefully this message clears up your confusion; I'd hate to drag the suggestion thread off-topic.

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kuresu
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Message 244 of 302 (368118)
12-07-2006 1:59 AM


request
request permission to post in rand's newest thread, just want to make a comment there (might consider going further in, but it's not really my area)
request permission for rand's macroevolution thread

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Message 245 of 302 (368141)
12-07-2006 7:53 AM


Access to Showcase granted.

--Percy
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Message 246 of 302 (368143)
12-07-2006 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by randman
12-06-2006 11:46 PM


Re: no lies about you
Hi Randman,
Please keep in mind that this thread is not in the [forum=-37] forum, and as such the Forum Guidelines apply here.

--Percy
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randman 
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Message 247 of 302 (368581)
12-08-2006 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Admin
12-07-2006 7:57 AM


Re: no lies about you
Ok.One request. I am interested in serious debate and serious debate only in the Showcase forum. I don't want Omni posting there, nor some others that in the past haven't shown, in my opinion, a seriousness about the debate and willingness to refrain from substance free posts of insults. Insult if you want, but if one offers no substance it's a waste of time.
I don't want to run down a list, although I would prefer Crash nor Paulk ever be granted privileges to post on my threads, but would like to OK who posts on my threads in advance. As you know, the disbelievers in evo models are a great minority here. I feel there are some evos interested in real discussion and want to limit the discussion to those that are, at least imo.
Just to give you an example of the sort of poster that doesn't belong on the thread, if someone feels the Showcase is somehow a sign of denigration, I really don't want to waste time with such types. They are not interested in real debate and won't offer substance in their posts. I do think there can be real discussion with some, however.
Thanks.

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Message 248 of 302 (368585)
12-08-2006 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by randman
12-08-2006 10:55 PM


Omni the Unwanted
Randman writes:
would like to OK who posts on my threads in advance
And he'd like a bigger trailer, too.
Bring back the Free For All, Percy, and move the Showcase denizens there.
Trust your instincts. Regular members shouldn't enter the lists with one hand tied behind their backs.

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Message 249 of 302 (368622)
12-09-2006 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 247 by randman
12-08-2006 10:55 PM


Re: no lies about you
You can run things in your showcase threads any way you please. All I can do is control who has access. Just let me know when someone's access should be removed by posting messages here.
I sympathize with your desires for constructive discussion in your showcase threads, and what you're beginning to discover (or at least I can hope) is that this results from a mutual commitment to follow an agreed upon set of rules.
I'm going to change the name of the obverse thread to "A Guide to Creationist Tactics". For symmetry I'd like to change the name of your thread to "A Guide to Evolutionist Tactics". Would that be okay?

--Percy
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Buzsaw
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Message 250 of 302 (368623)
12-09-2006 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 239 by randman
12-06-2006 11:43 PM


Re: request to post in randman's thread
randman writes:
It's not that Dr Adequate has some sort of giant intellect, more so than other evos, or anything like that, as if he is feared, but it's really not worth my time wasting on someone like him.
I have found this to be the case in debate with DA. He wastes a lot of time with non-substantive and sometimes demeaning responses. He's not all bad, but in general he's difficult to dialog with unless you agree with him.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Message 251 of 302 (368625)
12-09-2006 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by Omnivorous
12-08-2006 11:18 PM


Re: Omni the Unwanted
Hi Omni,
I'd like to respond to something you said in your Message 131:
...you were thrown into this geek cage for your inability to recognize evidence and logic.
Members who have interesting viewpoints or styles but are unamenable to moderation are placed in [forum=-37]. Certainly irrationality could play a role in making showcase decisions (if Faith were showcased it would be in part for that reason), but one can't automatically conclude that restriction to Showcase was for that reason.
I prefer to focus on specific and visible symptoms rather than speculate as to underlying causes. Randman was showcased because he was unamenable to moderation, perhaps because he feels that moderation here is blatantly biased toward the evolution side. Threads in which Randman participated invariably deteriorated into name calling.
In discussion with moderators Randman expressed his belief that he was always being provoked and that he was merely responding in kind. It was pointed out time and again that the proper response to a guideline violation was not a guideline violation of your own, but to instead request moderator assistance. It was also the opinion of moderators that Randman has a hair trigger when it comes to detecting provocation, and I'm sure everyone familiar with Randman will agree that a very common Randman response to some innocuous argument is (paraphrasing), "This is just the kind of typical dishonesty we always see from evos."
Randman could never seem to grasp, indeed still does not grasp, that doing things like calling people dishonest tends to derail constructive discussion. The foundational position of his stance on evolution is that it is a conspiracy perpetrated upon the public by fraud, lies and dishonesty, but he doesn't seem to understand that you can't maintain a civil discussion while calling people frauds and liars, and so he was showcased.

--Percy
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ekman
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From: North Carolina, USA
Joined: 02-27-2006


Message 252 of 302 (368631)
12-09-2006 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 247 by randman
12-08-2006 10:55 PM


Re: no lies about you
Perhaps once rand has chased off from the Showcase everyone who disagrees with him, he will be able to have a fruitful discussion. I frankly don't see why anyone would even bother to discuss anything with him at this point.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1546 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 253 of 302 (368637)
12-09-2006 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 247 by randman
12-08-2006 10:55 PM


Re: no lies about you
I don't want to run down a list, although I would prefer Crash nor Paulk ever be granted privileges to post on my threads
There's no danger of that, Randman; I'm not interested in participating in the Showcase threads.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 254 of 302 (368639)
12-09-2006 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 239 by randman
12-06-2006 11:43 PM


There was no running from hard questions on my part, but rather his pointed dodge, imo, of the issues raised.
I see that the snivelling little coward is still drooling out lies about me. I wonder whom he hopes to convince?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 255 of 302 (368640)
12-09-2006 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by randman
12-06-2006 11:43 PM


Re: request to post in randman's thread
It's not that Dr Adequate has some sort of giant intellect, more so than other evos, or anything like that, as if he is feared, but it's really not worth my time wasting on someone like him.
And yet, having said that, you're still puking out your halfwitted lies about me on the thread you had me removed from.
As follows.
The problem with your thinking, Dr Adequate, is you assume that you do not have to demonstrate total population and mutation rate are constant. Whereas perhaps, and this is tenable, the constant mutation rate is workable, it's patently obvious that the population doesn't remain constant....that's something you refused to accept and allow into your dense head.
Apparently it is "not really worth your time" to debate me to my face, but it's a good use of your time to drivel out moronic lies about me behind my back, on a thread on which I can't respond.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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