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Topic: Use of Subtitles in Topics
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Adminnemooseus
Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: 09-26-2002
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Message 16 of 31 (284676)
02-07-2006 5:05 PM
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Good subtitles are good things!
I use subtitles on the All Topics page to see if a thread is looking interesting or not. Good subtitles are also useful in the specific topic's message index page. Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus
Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: 09-26-2002
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Message 17 of 31 (310531)
05-09-2006 2:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 8 by AdminNosy
08-12-2005 12:15 AM
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Attention - People, please use relevant subtitles
AdminNosy writes: Very few posters are even glancing at the subtitles of their posts. Please help make things a bit easier and use the subtitles more carefully. Basically try to make them the core subject of the post. Treat them as something like chapter headings. Bumpity-bump. Adminnemooseus
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BMG
Member (Idle past 230 days) Posts: 357 From: Southwestern U.S. Joined: 03-16-2006
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Question for Moose
Is your avatar wearing a moo-moo? Mooseus borne from moo-moo? I had to ask, sorry.
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Adminnemooseus
Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: 09-26-2002
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Re: Attention - People, please use relevant subtitles
And another bump.
Adminnemooseus, in message 1 writes: People, the proper use of subtitles can be useful. For example: I while back I was looking for a specific message in a topic I thought it was located in. I looked throught the subtitles in the topic index, but they were of no help. Quite a while back, I posted a "topic drift alert", with a subtitle (as I recall) of something like "Terminally Off Topic?". Ironicly, there was an on-topic reply to that message, which generated a string of on-topic messages with the subtitle of "Re: Terminally Off Topic?". Bottom line: What do you say, that you try putting useful subtitles on your messages? Just like a quality functional topic title, quality functional subtitles could be useful for guiding and organizing the discussion. AdminNosy, in message 8, writes: Very few posters are even glancing at the subtitles of their posts. Please help make things a bit easier and use the subtitles more carefully. Basically try to make them the core subject of the post. Treat them as something like chapter headings. One recent example of a long string of worthless subtitles is the "Re: 'Out of Bedrock' theory" at the Was there a worldwide flood? topic. It originated with a very minor "Flintstones" message, and then refused to die. There are plenty of other examples. Adminnemooseus
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Buzsaw
Inactive Member
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Message 20 of 31 (454964)
02-09-2008 2:55 PM
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Subtitle Content
Adminnemooseous writes: Subtitle should include the author's name and topic/thread title. http:// EvC Forum: February 2008 Posts of the Month --> EvC Forum: February 2008 Posts of the Month Often titles to threads are lengthy. My suggestion is to enter the thread title into the POM message, not the title. IMO, lengthy titles confluge the title with the POM message. (ABE: The term title implies a brief statement about context.) Edited by Buzsaw, : Parenthesized
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Adminnemooseus
Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: 09-26-2002
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Message 21 of 31 (471463)
06-17-2008 1:01 AM
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Bump dammit! - Let's have good subtitles
People, how about trying to create message subtitles that give some indication of what's in the message? The individual topic indexes can be kind of like the table of contents of a book. Think of each message being a little chapter of the topic "book". Put things in the "table of contents" that indicates what your new "chapter" is about. Adminnemooseus
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Taz
Member (Idle past 3313 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: 07-18-2006
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Message 22 of 31 (471467)
06-17-2008 1:27 AM
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Free Tibet!
The problem is it isn't required to insert a subtitle to submit a post. We all know that most of the time people will forget there is even a subtitle fill in box. My suggestion is we require people to fill in the subtitle box.
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Adminnemooseus
Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: 09-26-2002
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Message 23 of 31 (510969)
06-05-2009 6:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 8 by AdminNosy
08-12-2005 12:15 AM
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Can we get some appropriate subtitles?
Very few posters are even glancing at the subtitles of their posts. Please help make things a bit easier and use the subtitles more carefully.
Basically try to make them the core subject of the post. Treat them as something like chapter headings. Like AdminNosy said. Adminnemooseus
Admin writes: It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon. There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot. Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Source
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caffeine
Member (Idle past 1046 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: 10-22-2008
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Making subtitles compulsory
As has been suggested twice already, why not just make subtitles automatically blank and require people to fill them in in order to post? It's very easy to forget about them, especially if you're used to using forums that don't bother with subtitles.
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NosyNed
Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: 04-04-2003
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Message 25 of 31 (510990)
06-05-2009 9:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 24 by caffeine
06-05-2009 7:07 AM
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Re: Making subtitles compulsory
Yes, blank them and add a check box to "Reuse Subtitle" so in the not-so-common case where reusing the subtitle makes sense it is easy but the default is to a blank which is better than what is happening now.
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 26 of 31 (511028)
06-05-2009 6:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 25 by NosyNed
06-05-2009 9:55 AM
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ooo let's make work for Percy ... (Re: (Re: [msg=24]))
Yes, blank them and add a check box to "Reuse Subtitle" so in the not-so-common case where reusing the subtitle makes sense it is easy but the default is to a blank which is better than what is happening now. An interesting idea. As someone who uses subtitles I do find posts that have nothing to do with the subtitle distracting.
Message 15 Modulus
I use subtitles on the All Topics page to see if a thread is looking interesting or not. I too look at the subtitles, and several times I have been attracted by a subtitle to a new thread, and look for the original subtitle post, and sometimes I give up when it seems to go on forever on other issues. So it would be nice to have the subtitle be coded (re: [msg=subtitle_msg_number]) to link to the post that started the subtitle -- see example above. This way, once we are beyond the first reply you can still like back to the start. I don't know how this will nest with following replies, so I intend to test this. It would be nice to have an idea of how nested the reply was - ie keep tacking on Re: for each reply. Hence the (Re: (Re: etc)) above. I fully agree that subtitles should either form a subtopic or describe the focus of the post, but some people just aren't focuessed ....
we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
Rebel American Zen Deist
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 27 of 31 (511029)
06-05-2009 7:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 26 by RAZD
06-05-2009 6:59 PM
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Does it work? (Re: (Re: (Re: [msg=26])) (Message 26))))
testing stacked reference links Yes, it appears to work, but the second link gets cut off by the first. Now what does this do to the subtitle limits and what shows on All Topics? Enjoy.
we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
Rebel American Zen Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ...
to share.
• • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 28 of 31 (511030)
06-05-2009 7:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 27 by RAZD
06-05-2009 7:03 PM
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Shorten Subtitle
But there is a glitch in the code that ends up in the subtitle (I corrected it out to reduce the clutter) AND it explodes the subtitle in the ALL TOPICS window. Any chance we could refer to a post by subtitle rather than by message? (or code it to exclude the "(message 24)" from the link). Hi Percy! Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : rather than another reply Edited by RAZD, : (Message 27))))) (Message 26)))) (Message 27))) (Message 26)))) deleted from subtitle Edited by RAZD, : curious Edited by Admin, : Shorten Subtitle
we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
Rebel American Zen Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ...
to share.
• • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Adminnemooseus
Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: 09-26-2002
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Message 29 of 31 (525638)
09-24-2009 4:18 AM
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How about relevant subtitles?
Something that helps define and will help index your messages content. I'm very tired of seeing "Re: To my numerous opponents", "Re: Topic Please?", "Re: you are ignorant", and "Re: Please!". And I'm sure there are plenty of other worthless subtltles just below the crop listed at the alltopics page. Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus
Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: 09-26-2002
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Re: How about relevant subtitles?
OK, we now have "Re: An Initial Question" as the only subtitle* of a topic currently at 93 messages. A bad subtitle that refuses to die (what is that initial question?). *Exceptions - 2 or 3 moderation related message, and 1(!) topic related message. Adminnemooseus
Admin writes: It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon. There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot. Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Message 150
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