General discussion of moderation procedures

The Change in Moderation? topic, which is the traditional home of general discussion of moderation issues, is close to 300 messages. It will soon be closed, as are all topics when they reach the 300 message vacinity.This topic will replace it.Admins such a myself, who include a link to the "Change in Moderation?" topic in their "signature", will need to change that to link to this new topic.Adminnemooseus {Edit 5/5/05 - Changed link to link to page 1. I had been set up to link to page 6. - Adminnemooseus}This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 05-05-2005 01:08 AM Shorten name of thread, prior name no longer needs to be included.This message has been edited by Admin, 05-09-2005 11:47 AM

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All their messages have to pass through the "Proposed Creationist Moderator Postings" topic in the "Private Administrative Forum".AdminnemooseusPS: Just kidding

...although I may have been wrong to have moved it to the "Suggestions and Questions" forum.Please see Creationist Friendly Q&A.But I will make a short reply here:

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1) Questions and answers about Evolution.

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2) Questions and answers about Faith and Belief.

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As seems to work, I don't see these proposed forums working any different than the existing forums covering the same themes. I think that they would be experiments that would have a simular success (or failure) as did the "Boot Camp" forum.AdminnemooseusThis message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 03-04-2005 13:36 AM

I certainly have a high regard for Bill's output. I (non-admin mode) have been one that has given him POTM nominations. But I am proposing that there is room for improvement in his presentation. I'm (hopefull) not pushing for "dumbing down". But there is the art of presenting quality information to the scientificly disinclined.There is a difference between a message with a lot of good information, and a well written message with a lot of good information. I repeat myself: I am proposing that there is room for improvement in his presentation.I may be wrong. Certainly, I am posting this as a person that fully recognizes that I am incapable of posting a message of "Bill Birkeland level of content".Bill, I love having you participate here. Don't let me drive you away. But, even to you, I offer my attemps at advice for improvement.Adminnemooseus"He who can't post a quality message, trys to advise one who can"

PLOS and Open-Access publishing maybe?Adminnemooseus

Believe me, the "Sodom and Lot, historicity and plausibility of Genesis 19" topic is not a all one I am following much. I don't know, and don't really care what lead up to that message.My "Have to slip a "Keep calm and be nice" in here" comment was a reply to your message (it was the "Meet Mr. Stupid" subtitle that happened to catch my attention), but it is also directed toward any and all who were not being "calm and nice". Perhaps I should have made it a general reply, but even message specific replies are often also general replies. "He did it first" in not an excuse. "He did it last" tends to be the one who gets caught.Adminnemooseus

AdminAsgara reopened the topic I had given a planned 24 hour temporary closure. The 24 hours had passed, but I was away from my computer for 3 or 4 more hours beyond that moment - Thus AA's action.She also moved the topic to the "Great Debate". This is not something I would have done, but the topic was in the messy situation that it was tough to determine the best possible course. My "GD" thoughts were that a new topic be started, with a fresh message 1.I think we need to leave the "GD" topic in limbo for now, with no one posting there. Personally, I would be inclined to permanently close it, in deference to a new "GD" topic, per previous paragraph.I strongly invite you to start a Suggestions and Questions topic on how this situation is to be handled. Suggested possible title: "The Faith "Great Debate" sedimentation and erosion topic".The essential problem is, how to have a discussion with Faith, without her getting overloaded with too many responses to her messages.Adminnemooseus

Forum guideline 1: I have just closed the "Soracilla defends the Flood? (mostly a "Joggins Polystrate Fossils" discussion)" topic, because of extreme topic drift. My closing message is here.The ignoring of the topic theme was so extreme (and the participents knew it) that I actually considered handing out some suspensions over it. But I won't.People, you need to do your own moderation sometimes. Maybe sometimes do something like a reply saying no more than "message is badly off-topic".The worst part of it, is that there are other active topics where some of the off-topic postings would have been on-topic.Adminnemooseus

I didn't want to do off-topic stuff at the Tired Light topic, so, for lack of a better place, I'll respond in this topic. Percy and Admin is the same person. All admins at have both non-admin ID's and admin ID's. With the exception of Percy/Admin, the admin names incorporate some variation of the non-admin name (ie. I'm both minnemooseus and Adminnemmoseus). All the admin names start with "Admin".Percy is the founder of this site, the webmaster who wrote most of the sites code, and the one who pays the bills for the site.Junior member is an arbitrary designation for newer members. Once you get to a certain number of posts (offhand, something like 25) you will automaticly become a regular member. We could probably well do away with the "junior member" designation, as it really has no meaning.Admins are chosen from the membership. The forum tradition is that I have been the one to do most of the recruitments, although I certainly do consult with the other admins. As time and postings pass, maybe you will show the desired qualities to become an admin.The truth is, in my recruitment effort history, probably more members have declined than have accepted. I do all the recruitment efforts by e-mail - I feel such is not for the viewing of the general membership, until the new admin is hooked and an announcement is made.For the record, the admin hierarchy (from top to bottom) is webmaster, director, administrator, and moderator. Administrators and moderators have the same powers, except moderators are limited to certain forums while adminstrators have forum wide powers. Essentially, every admin has at least administrator status.Admin/Percy and I are the only directors. The difference is, that directors have a little more access to potentially destructive site controls. I very rarely do anything that is beyond the powers of an administrator.BTW, welcome to .Adminnemooseus

Look, I'm going to tend to not want to blow a lot of time and effort in micro-analyzing things. Especially in fast happening topics.Sometimes, make that often, I'm going on spot impressions. The impression of the moment was that Dan and Contra were behaving stupidly. Likewise for Crashfrog and Arachnophilia, earlier on.I also believe that stardard moderator messages tend to be ineffective. They tend to get ignored and/or lost in the pile. Throwing in the word "suspension" is effective at getting attention. Actually doing a suspension is really effective.Staying on topic with real debate, along with being nice to each other, results in me paying no official attention to you.Or something like that.AdminnemooseusThis message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 04-14-2005 05:07 PM

Sorry about that. I was confusing an Arachnophilia incident with you. That aside, I also recall previously reprimanding you. This recollection may be a figment of my poor memory.Regardless, you should know better than to be getting into childish exchanges with a newbee.Adminnemooseus{Added by edit:OK - The reason the Chiroptera name was etched in my dubious quality memory was from the "Bug Reporting Thread" (see this message). Still, I will repeat "Regardless, you should know better than to be getting into childish exchanges with a newbee".}This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 04-23-2005 01:53 PM

I refer all to the "Proposal for Moose vs. Frog Great Debate" topic, where I made (in the non-admin mode) my major statement at message 23.I think the essence of the matter was covered in messages 23 through 29.Adminnemooseusps: Jar seems to be our most prolific poster, with 5540 messages in 373 days. I think, however, a fair number of these are of "moderator" nature.Crashfrog has 8278 messages in 769 days. Averaging over 10 messages per day for 2+ years

See here, here, and also the surrounding messages.Also look at Crashfrog's recent messages, and while you're at it, General Krall's. Do a "Search by User Name" search here. Look at the message Crashfrog cites in message 83 (above) and the messages above and below that message.While I concede I may be overreacting a bit, I still do think they are posting a lot of "heat not light" messages. And "heat" messages tend to just lead to more "heat" messages. Maybe look at some "mick" messages (search as suggested above), and/or go to the April, 2005, Posts of the Month topic for examples of "light not heat".Adminnemooseus

I never said anything of the sort, that you didn't also post good messages. The four you cite are fine, although the first one is in a "Coffee House" topic about a TV show (whoopie!).I note you didn't cite any from the topic that generated my original comment, the topic you cited in message 83. Are you equally proud of those? Minnemooseus has pretty much had nothing to say. Should I have posted messages anyway? Has there not been enough posted by others?As per General Krall - I see no need to give out individual personalized messages. He was a side comment in a message to you. Sorry, if doing such hurt either of your feelings.Adminnemooseus

1) See here. This action is the judgement of Admin, or could have been by any of the other admins.2) Obviously, Admin has linked to the wrong message here. Needs to be fixed.Adminnemooseus