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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 286 of 301 (379539)
01-24-2007 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by arachnophilia
01-24-2007 3:02 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
so what you're saying is that you see yourself as a martyr, and you like being a martyr?

Negative. Your spin is silly.

hey ray, i know you post(ed) at talk.origins, but have you ever been over to uncommon descent?

No I have not because I cannot figure out how to do that. But if you are saying that UD does the same then I would make the same argument there, that is, I would say treating dissent in any manner of a Showcase forum or worse indicates rage caused by the inability to refute.

The only persons who should be banned are posts that contain meaningless profanity and substanceless one liners.

don't ask me, i keep arguing against that. you know, because i'm an evil-darwinist-captor, and all that.

What was the reason given; where is that link?

Ray


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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 287 of 301 (379547)
01-24-2007 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Dan Carroll
01-24-2007 3:08 PM


Re: The effectiveness of not calling people liars
Hi, Ray! Since you're such an honest, sober-minded fellow, I'm sure you've just forgotten about this business. It is in no way possible that you are dishonest, or mentally unstable.

Hi Danny: You agreed with PaulK, that is, both of you evos think anyone who disagrees with your senseless atheistic philosophy dressed as science is mentally ill. If this were not true then you would not be pursuing me since decent persons give no attention to invective.

To say it a little more plainly so that you can understand: if what I said was without merit then you would not give it the time of day, but you have pursued it which means your conscience has betrayed your guilt.

Don't feel that bad; Richard Dawkins, a man with a Ph.D. revived the "disagree with me or you are mentally ill" tactic as long ago as "Blind Watchmaker" (1986). The tactic originates from the New Testament when the Pharisees branded Jesus a crazy demon possessed lunatic for making the claims that He made about Himself (Son of God).

Jesus (the ultimate source) responded by saying the Pharisees were liars of their Father the Devil. Imagine that; thinking you are worshipping God when in fact you are deceived by the devil?

If the Pharisees are as such then how much more atheists like Dawkins and yourself (= persons who oppose Jesus like the Pharisees).

Ray


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Message 288 of 301 (379549)
01-24-2007 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Cold Foreign Object
01-24-2007 3:37 PM


Re: The effectiveness of not calling people liars
Hi Danny: You agreed with PaulK, that is, both of you evos think anyone who disagrees with your senseless atheistic philosophy dressed as science is mentally ill.

Gosh, I don't remember doing that at all! Maybe you could actually point to where I did so. With a quote, for instance?

To say it a little more plainly so that you can understand: if what I said was without merit then you would not give it the time of day, but you have pursued it which means your conscience has betrayed your guilt.

If my unrelenting guilt is hounding me this severely, then it should be really easy for you to quote me saying (or agreeing with that idea that) anyone who disgrees with me is mentally ill.

Please do so.


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Message 289 of 301 (379564)
01-24-2007 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Cold Foreign Object
01-24-2007 3:37 PM


Re: The effectiveness of not calling people liars
Hi Herepton,

I know everyone is going to be disappointed, but I'm removing your permissions for the Suggestions and Questions forum. If you'd like to discuss moderation issues with other members you can propose a thread for Showcase.

Edited by Admin, : Refer to this specific forum.


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arachnophilia
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Message 290 of 301 (379583)
01-24-2007 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Cold Foreign Object
01-24-2007 3:12 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
Negative. Your spin is silly.

it's not spin, it's a question. i am trying to establish your position. do you take offense at being confined to the showcase, or do you like it? or do you not care?

No I have not because I cannot figure out how to do that. But if you are saying that UD does the same then I would make the same argument there, that is, I would say treating dissent in any manner of a Showcase forum or worse indicates rage caused by the inability to refute.

even if those banned members are each and every "darwinist" that comes on the board?

The only persons who should be banned are posts that contain meaningless profanity and substanceless one liners.

i find this amusing ray, as you are well known for your substanceless one-liners. "inability to refute" et al.

What was the reason given; where is that link?

they didn't give a good one publically. you can find discussion of it starting here, and if i recall some more hazy details are given. there is a whole thread that documents some of the differences and admin discussions that eventually lead to her ban.

i still disagree with it. being a bad candidate for a moderator isn't a good reason to be banned as a member.


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kuresu
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Message 291 of 301 (380302)
01-26-2007 11:19 PM


Rob
For the last time he has implied that I support nazism.

not only that, he has gone to the level of insulting me.

Rob writes:

quote:
So don't sit there in your dorm room while mommy and daddy pay your way through college and tell me about putting out an effort you snot mnosed little punk. I could take you for a ride in the muddy mountains of Humboldt in a Peterbuilt that would make you piss your pants you sniveling little city boy! You pompous slobbering bag of goat shit!

quote:
I'd kick your ass with a tear in my eye without apology

quote:
Rebel! Run! Don't even go back for your things Kuresu... Get out of Dodge! And pray that your flight does not take place in winter.

The closest I have come to insulting him is to call him weak.

Also, he still doesn't get my position on right and wrong and sin.

But you don't even think dishonesty is a sin... it's just a mistake!

I've explained this concept. I've told him I think there is right and wrong, but that sin has nothing to do with either. Here he is slandering me (or is it libel?).

oh, and his entire post is off-topic.
http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=6&t=664&m=57#57

I'm asking for a suspension.


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joshua221 
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Message 292 of 301 (380306)
01-26-2007 11:27 PM


A little TOed!
Kuresu called me a "kiddo" yesterday..

Please suspend him Admin.


Rob 
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Message 293 of 301 (380332)
01-27-2007 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by kuresu
01-26-2007 11:19 PM


Re: Rob
I'm asking for a suspension.

Whatsa matta Kuresu? did yousoil yourself?

When did I impy that you support Nazism ever? I said your assumptions lead to that very thing. You are ignorant of that. there is a difference.

And you do insult others all the time. Like when you say that we should take the time to look at science for oursleves (if we are capable, which you said you doubt).

Stand up for yourself Kuresu. Let the chips fall where they may...


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Message 294 of 301 (380342)
01-27-2007 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 293 by Rob
01-27-2007 12:19 AM


Re: Rob
You seem to want to be a Martyr. You now have your chance. Ten days, Big Guy.(Rob suspended ten days for outlandish conduct unbefitting a representative of Christ.

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    anastasia
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    Message 295 of 301 (380349)
    01-27-2007 12:44 AM
    Reply to: Message 294 by AdminPhat
    01-27-2007 12:30 AM


    Re: Rob
    Being as objective as possible, I think the general tone of both Rob and kuresu of late has been patronizing, and the posts primarily OT attacks on the other's lack of knowledge. Rob certainly uses some imagery that will make a christian blush, but I see no ill-will. He is more-or-less trying to be a mentor, but I suppose it is not appreciated or perhaps not the right tactic.

    Oh, and maybe not the right place? There are an awful lot of threads which seem to discuss people rather than ideas.

    Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.


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    iceage 
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    Message 296 of 301 (380351)
    01-27-2007 12:50 AM
    Reply to: Message 295 by anastasia
    01-27-2007 12:44 AM


    Re: Rob
    At least kuresu did not mention the fact that he has a handgun - for reasons I am sure only exist within the mind of Rob.

    Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

    Edited by iceage, : No reason given.


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    kuresu
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    Message 297 of 301 (380352)
    01-27-2007 12:51 AM
    Reply to: Message 295 by anastasia
    01-27-2007 12:44 AM


    Re: Rob
    i need a mentor, I'll go to someone like jar.

    i don't have the time of day for someone who insuates that I support Hitler's actions.

    I also don't have the time of day for someone who still doesn't realize, after being repeatedly told, that I recognize right and wrong, just not sin. he still thinks that that means i think wrong actions are merely mistakes.

    while the suspension length may have been too much, the suspension isn't.


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    nyenye
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    Message 298 of 301 (380354)
    01-27-2007 12:54 AM
    Reply to: Message 297 by kuresu
    01-27-2007 12:51 AM


    Re: Rob
    <3
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    anastasia
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    Message 299 of 301 (380371)
    01-27-2007 1:21 AM
    Reply to: Message 297 by kuresu
    01-27-2007 12:51 AM


    Re: Rob
    kuresu writes:

    i need a mentor, I'll go to someone like jar.

    I don't want to mentor you either, but honestly, picking a mentor who you agree with is not always learning. I don't agree with everything that jar says, or that Rob says, but I can learn from both. I can try to see what they are saying rather than how they are saying it. Both jar and Rob can be abrasive if you don't recognize the intent that they have. I am assuming and hoping that both have the best intentions.

    i don't have the time of day for someone who insuates that I support Hitler's actions.

    He doesn't. He seems to think that Hitler's evil was the result of a thought process taken to its extreme limit. Hardly any amoung us will reach that limit, but it is not unfair to say that ANY thought process at its extreme limit is either really bad, or really good. Rob wants to teach you about these extremes, but it is hard to grasp.

    I also don't have the time of day for someone who still doesn't realize, after being repeatedly told, that I recognize right and wrong, just not sin. he still thinks that that means i think wrong actions are merely mistakes.

    I think Rob realizes what you say. He knows you are decent. He just does not think that there is any hope without recognizing sin, and he is hoping to 'save' you, not libel you.

    I do agree with a suspension, based on insulting language of an uneccessary degree, and more OT attempts at conversion. Attempts that are on topic are fine :). I just realize that to Rob, saving people is a vital matter of life and death to a soul. He gets on you because he cares, not because he wants to insult. If you have no time of day for him, by all means do not feel that you need to respond to his posts. Maybe you should just ask that he not respond to yours unless directed to him?


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    iceage 
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    Message 300 of 301 (380374)
    01-27-2007 1:33 AM
    Reply to: Message 299 by anastasia
    01-27-2007 1:21 AM


    Re: Rob
    anastasia writes:

    He gets on you because he cares

    Yeah sure, With dialog like this....

    rob writes:

    Good night... Punk!

    Ps. I let my concealed weapons permit expire this last December for my 357 magnum. I just don't feel I need it any more.

    I think the message may get lost in translation.


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