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2MuchTalk
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Message 70 of 196 (6585)
03-11-2002 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by nator
03-07-2002 5:20 AM


I tire of constant "master theological geological biologists" arguing things for which cannot be proven through scientific fact either way. Who was around before the flood that can bring material evidence of the world then? Who, on a human basis, sat on God's shoulder while the universe was made. Or who watched the big bang as it lightened up the nothingness?
Here are the facts. I'm sure neither quicksink nor J.P. have all the valid facts to argue...I mean debate the flood. You are both arguing from, at least partial, ignorance. There is no proof, that can be remade, to prove either. Quick has just as much faith in his beliefs as J.P., but neither are proof of the flood.
As for me, I am a Christian who believes in Creationism. Can I prove it scientifically? No. Can I prove all came from a single author by the way everything is connected around me, organic and inorganic? I believe so. Do I tire of evolutionists acting like they have proof of their beliefs and ridiculing mine. Absolutely! Faith, by its own definition, cannot be proved. These theories are based on faith. Who can argue that?!
My faith says we were created by God, with His Spirit indwelling, for a specific purpose. I choose not to believe I am some jumble of molecules without purpose, aimless in a lonely universe. How do I scientifically prove that? As easily as an atheistic evolutionist (not all evolutionists are atheists, I know) can prove the opposite is true. It is faith being argued here, not facts because none of us have them.
Quicksink. When you prove, with scientific data, your theory is absolute, I'll stop and listen and decide.
J.P. Do not get pulled into the arguments this creates. God is not on trial. He doesn't need our fights. I choose to argue immediately after I see Scientific proof of evolution. You would be wise to do the same.
God bless both your lives and endeavors. 2MT.

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2MuchTalk
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Message 80 of 196 (6746)
03-13-2002 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by nator
03-11-2002 6:22 PM


Schaf,
Of all the responses I have received so far, yours is the most inteligable. Your are right on several points, first of all, that I am a new scholar in most scientific theories and forms. I do not know everything, nor do I claim to know even 10%. Life is a learning in progress from the cradle to the grave.
My point in my first letter was not to put science, God, nor anything else on trial. It was to show the "Great Debate" will never end. Science proves forms of evolution every second of every day. Only a closed-minded fool would disagree. Though not a genius, I am not a fool. My discussion was more in the realm of origin. Neither creation nor evolution can prove the origin of all things. Life cannot be reproduced from either origin (as I believe must be done in proving scientific fact).
That is the part I referred to as faith, not fact. I DO tire of people treating me like I am a fool for my faith in creationism when they have no more proof about origin than I. I DO tire of being labeled a fool for believing something so ridiculous as a God that formed me out of the dirt, when to believe an explosion somewhere caused all the things around me to form sounds just as ridiculous. The argument will never be accomplished.
As for proof there is a God, I fall back into philosophy. A philosopher said that just as a picture cannot control its environment, nor what will happen where, it depends on a power outside of itself (the artist), so also, we cannot control our environment, nor what will happen where, so there must be a higher power (the artist).
Whether evolutionist like it or not, there is also proof of a Large scale flood that disproves instances of millions of years of erosion. Explain a tree that passes through 3-4 strata. Explain a fossil of a fish with half of a smaller fish in its mouth in the process of eating. Slow eater? Stop teaching and arguing as though the Theory of Evolution is fact, and don't say that doesn't happen.
Lastly, Schaf and whoever else reads this. Origin of existence does not always have to be a religious matter. Although I am a Creationist Christian, I know many Theistic Evolutionists that I love and respect.One does not go to Heaven and the other to Hell. We can believe both ways. Evolution/Creationism is not a "salvational" issue.
I invite all books and articles that lead to the truth. Any replies are welcome.
Thanks, Schaf for not just arguing for the sake of arguing, but showing intelligence to not take it personal.
2MT
P.S.- I enjoyed the articles and reccommend all creationists read them.
[This message has been edited by 2MuchTalk, 03-13-2002]

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