animals on the ark

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Originally posted by Darwin Storm:
Also, a world wide flood would have diffused with the ocean waters, meaning that the water would have a salinity content. Even after teh floods receded, the mud that remained would have a salt content that would make it unusable for plants as a medium to grow in. I am sure you have heard about "salting the earth" of your enemies to destroy their food production? Imagine a global scale of that.

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I remember some argument they were using for a young earth a while back about salinity being too low for an old earth, basically they accounted for all possible increases in salinity but ignored all the factors that keep the system in equilibrium...So their answers probably going to be the oceans weren`t saline then as salinity increases by X each year and therefore Y years ago the oceans were fresh water....All of which is wrong as it fails to consider any process by which salt is removed from the oceans.....

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Originally posted by 2MuchTalk:
1)I tire of constant "master theological geological biologists" arguing things for which cannot be proven through scientific fact either way.

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2)Who was around before the flood that can bring material evidence of the world then?

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3)Who, on a human basis, sat on God's shoulder while the universe was made. Or who watched the big bang as it lightened up the nothingness?

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4)These theories are based on faith. Who can argue that?!

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5)I choose not to believe I am some jumble of molecules without purpose, aimless in a lonely universe.

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6)How do I scientifically prove that? As easily as an atheistic evolutionist (not all evolutionists are atheists, I know) can prove the opposite is true. It is faith being argued here, not facts because none of us have them.

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7)Quicksink. When you prove, with scientific data, your theory is absolute, I'll stop and listen and decide.

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1)Science does not prove, proof exsists in law and maths not science....2)Hmmmm.... the sumerians, the egyptians, possibly the hittites, add long list of ancient cultures here.....3)Certainly not the middle eastern authors of a certain religious text....Also there is a defined limit to what can be observed which is that only events after the end of the Planck era can be observed....4)No scientific theories are based on evidence....Its what makes them scientific...5)Ahh the real reason you are a creationist, the alternative doesn`t fit your vanity and need to feel special...6)To be frank I`d be amazed to see you *prove* anything scientificaly, hey I`d be amazed to see anyone *prove* anything scientificaly...7)Just a small point if he were somehow to *prove* a theory you wouldn`t get to decide you would by nature of the *proof* subscribe to that viewpoint....A lot of what you posted shows an ignorance of how science works and what it does, please, just so we don`t have to go over it for th 8th time go and find out about the scientific method before posting about science *proving* things....

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
No, not that I know of, I have seen references such as AiG and the like which have done these sorts of tests, I can recall hearing that the hull could withstand waves/tsunamis 30metres high, I don't think that animals even if they all shifted toward one side would cause such an effect for the massive boat (remember, the size of this ark is about as large as the modern cruise ship.

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Their model was basicaly just a boxlike barge. There is a reason that modern seagoing vessels are not built with flat bottoms, they tend to roll over if the weight distribution isn`t just right...i.e herds of animals stampeding around getting some exercise would be a really BAD idea....I`ve told you before TC there are historical examples of large flat bottomed ships of wooden construction, Napoleons troop barges, as any student of the Napoleonic wars can tell you they never made it across to England because if they were to set sail in less than perfect conditions they would capsize and sink (they couldn`t make the attempt under ideal conditions because the royal navy would have really chewed them up)... These troop barges had larger crews than the 8 available on the ark, were crewed by experienced sailors and built by very good shipwrights are you sure you want to claim that a sextacentenial geriatric and his wife, 3 sons and 3 daughters in law could do better????Theres these interesting things called keels TC boats need them to avoid rolling over, the AIG model doesn`t have one....Seriously now do you honestly think that AIG are a balanced source of objective knowledge? The name alone should clue you in to the fact that they have an agenda, they are NOT a very credible scource outside of YEC circles.....