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Message 116 of 312 (426008)
10-04-2007 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Percy
10-04-2007 6:19 PM


On provocative language.
Just a question. Is it now seen as provocative when someone, (understandable a Creationist Admin) calls you a liar to simply ask them to present their evidence?

I realize that when a Creationist calls someone a moron or idiot or freak or liar or says a poster should be shot they should not be sanctioned, but is it now considered provocative to simple ask them to present their evidence?


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Message 118 of 312 (426016)
10-04-2007 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Thugpreacha
10-04-2007 7:38 PM


Re: On provocative language.

Its in how it is done, Jar.

I assume you can show where it was done wrong?

Maybe in Message 22 where when I was accused by AdminBuz of posting

a big fat meanspirited off topic lie

I asked him in Message 23

jar writes:

If you can support your assertions, bring on the evidence. Show where I have made a personal attack. Otherwise, quit whining.

If you want to play "Billy did it too", just understand I can support my position.

So far NO ONE has presented such evidence.

Now just how the hell is asking an Admin to show where you are lying being provocative?

Buz has publically apologized for calling you a liar.

Really? Before I was suspended for asking him to support his accusation? I assume you can link to that message?


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Message 134 of 312 (426955)
10-09-2007 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Buzsaw
10-09-2007 12:25 AM


Not all opinions are equally valid
My point is that the bottom line of Bible-creos debate in the geology/flood threads is that the Bible is a historical record. This is one of the big issues Faith addressed from time to time, adamantly debating for the historicity of the Biblical record.

Buz, you and Faith might believe such nonsense but that has nothing to do with whether or not it is actually true.

If you want to have things like the Biblical Flood account considered as anything more than a fairy tale you will have to provide the body of evidence and models that support such a position better than the vast body of evidence and models that show the Flood never happened.

If this is not acceptable to you, I propose that we move the threads regarding the flood and the canopy to Faith and Belief.

This is simply a continuation of the tactic of demanding special pleading where you declare that your fantasies should be accepted as valid.


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Message 166 of 312 (432500)
11-06-2007 11:25 AM
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11-06-2007 10:14 AM


Re: The 24/7 In Your Face One
The edit was to add the first two verses from Genesis 1 to make it clear that day and night, morning and evening existed before the sun or moon.


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Message 176 of 312 (435071)
11-18-2007 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Buzsaw
11-18-2007 6:50 PM


Re: The 24/7 In Your Face One
I assume you have some evidence to present showing where I have attacked the poster instead of the content?

Is pointing out where you misrepresent the Bible an insult?

Since your posts misrepresent what is actually in the Bible is it unreasonable to ask if you have read it?

The particular post you are whining about says:

Genesis writes:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

So each day was light and dark, even before there was a Sun.

No need of a Sun or Moon.

Have you ever read the Bible Buz?

Is there anything in there that is not addressing your Message 14 where you said:

Buz writes:

"The Bible does not designate the length of the days before day 5 after the sun and moon were created."

It is quite clear from what I posted that the Bible does specify the length of a day in EXACTLY the same method as used after the Sun and Moon are created.

See Genesis 1:14-19

14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

Look at Genesis 1:5

"5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day."

and Genesis 1:19 which is after the creation of the Sun and the Moon:

"19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day."

Exactly the same description is used both before and after the creation of the Sun.

Buz, if you are going to get upset when folk point out that you misrepresent what is in the Bible, there is a simple solution; stop misrepresenting what is in the Bible.


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Message 180 of 312 (435199)
11-19-2007 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by molbiogirl
11-19-2007 6:05 PM


Re: Simple aka reversespin
It is unlikely that simple and whatever are the same person. However, they both use multiple ips, create new aliases, register new accounts while banned, tend to show back up and leave at the same general times, post nothing but absolute rubbish, and contribute nothing except disruption.

In his, her, their defense, over the years they have posted some of the funniest messages ever at EvC, exceeding the humor contributions of such notables as Buz, Ray, JimSDA (certainly a contender), Lysimachus or even Eddy Pengelly. I miss Eddie.


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Message 182 of 312 (435212)
11-19-2007 7:51 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Buzsaw
11-19-2007 7:49 PM


Re: The 24/7 In Your Face One
So as always you have NOTHING to support your assertions and accusations.


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Message 215 of 312 (437834)
12-01-2007 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by kuresu
12-01-2007 3:36 PM


Re: Nem closes Positive Evidence for Atheism thread
Nah. No harm no foul. The thread reached its appointed our, the bell tolled and it died a deserved death.

If you think there is any merit to continuing the farce, propose a continuation thread.

Edited by jar, : No reason given.


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Message 218 of 312 (437841)
12-01-2007 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by kuresu
12-01-2007 4:07 PM


Re: Nem closes Positive Evidence for Atheism thread
No, I have no problems. Having been an Admin I'm sure I too was guilt of taking the easy route and simply doing what was needed without thinking about which account I happened to be in. However to close the thread Nem used his Admin account. The only possible case I see is he did not add yet another message where he announced closing.

Like I said, no harm no foul (other than the topic itself).


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Message 294 of 312 (444301)
12-28-2007 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by molbiogirl
12-28-2007 8:48 PM


Re: AdminPD.
Oh quit whining. You sound just like Buz.


Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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Message 298 of 312 (444308)
12-28-2007 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 296 by molbiogirl
12-28-2007 8:59 PM


Re: AdminPD.
Nator and Rrhain both feel the same way.

Lots of folk whine.


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