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mark24
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Message 9 of 52 (7528)
03-21-2002 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by leekim
03-21-2002 5:41 PM


quote:
Originally posted by leekim:

An impressive list of Latin grammar...yet how many indisputable skeletons / fossil data exists to support these alleged "grandfathers"?
A lot considering most are coming from savannas around the Great Rift Valley, a lousy area for fossils to be preserved, and especially considering most are not cosmopolitan with large population bases.
Did you realize that the British Museum's Catalogue of Fossil Hominids consists of three volumes with around four thousand entries? It was published in 1975 making it out of date. The number of known fossils continues to increase.
---Wow, four thousand (or slightly more)...considering there should be hundreds of thousands of these "ancestors". The matter is quite perplexing?

Leekim,
I would be very interested in how you mathematically arrive at "hundreds of thousands" of hominid fossils. Since this seems to be your falsification of human evolution you must be able to present this calculation....
Mark
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[This message has been edited by mark24, 03-21-2002]

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mark24
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Message 13 of 52 (7554)
03-21-2002 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by TrueCreation
03-21-2002 7:51 PM


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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"TC, why did God make half-human, half-simian creatures? Is your position even falsifiable?"
--Oh no, hehe, I just guess that some people would not consider a lone person suffering from pegets disease or a form of arthritis as a real human.

So all fossil hominids are diseased humans?
Mark
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mark24
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Message 28 of 52 (7651)
03-22-2002 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by leekim
03-22-2002 2:45 PM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by leekim:
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quote:
Originally posted by gene90:
Yes Lee is moving the goalposts. He started with "thousands" and he will have to stick with thousands. I actually thought about prodding you by asking him by asking if he would up to "millions" since I demonstrated that there were "thousands" but thought he would be above that anyway. Apparently not. Typical dishonest tactics at work here.
"Thousands" is a good figure for the reasons I have already given, and that people have only been looking for a few decades now. No, I don't expect there to be hundreds of thousands because of the random nature of fossilization, the remote areas, the short time people have been looking, the probable small sizes of the populations of transitionals, the limited geographical distribution, and the tiny blink of geological time it all happened over. But his challenge was met, next Creationist argument please.
---My challenge was cetainly not met as the alleged "ancestral fossil evidence" you cite is very sparse and subject to broad interpreatation (as you should very well know). But let's delve into another sub-issue...Assuming the "Ardipithecus ramidis , Australopithecus afarensis, Australopithecus anamensis, Kenyanthropus platyops , Australopithecus africanus, Australopithecus garhi, Australopithecus aethiopicus, Australopithecus robustus,
Australopithecus boisei, Homo habilis, Homo erectus, Homo ergaster, Homo antecessor, Homo heidelbergensis, and Homo sapiens neanderthalensis" all existed at one time, why havn't any of these ancestral forefathers survived to the current day. Surely evolution doesn't equate with extinction.

Small populations equate with extinction, though. Any rapid environmental change affects a small population vastly more than a large one. This includes competition with other hominids.
Mark
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