What’s YEC explanation for the emergence of races?

dear all,
Ever heard of MPG, NRM and GUToB?best wishes,
Peter

Dear Aryen,GUToB = grand unifying theory of biology. It holds that organism are able to adapt through a plastic multipurpose genome (MPG) by means of non-random mutations (NRM). Although random mutations are acknowledged they do not play a major role in 'evolution'.
Races are easy to explain with the GUToB. A recent example of the MPG in action and resulting in a distinct race of wallibies (even nominated as distinct species) is the intruiging history of the Brush-tailed Rock Wallaby on Hawai.For more information on the MPG: http://EvC Forum: molecular genetic evidence for a multipurpose genome -->EvC Forum: molecular genetic evidence for a multipurpose genomeBest wishes,
Peter

Dear Aryen,quote:
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Originally posted by peter borger:
Dear Aryen,
GUToB = grand unifying theory of biology. It holds that organism are able to adapt through a plastic multipurpose genome (MPG) by means of non-random mutations (NRM). Although random mutations are acknowledged they do not play a major role in 'evolution'.
Races are easy to explain with the GUToB. A recent example of the MPG in action and resulting in a distinct race of wallibies (even nominated as distinct species) is the intruiging history of the Brush-tailed Rock Wallaby on Hawai. For more information on the MPG: EvC Forum: molecular genetic evidence for a multipurpose genome
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------A: Hmmm I don’t understand how it is related to the YEC case.1) Does this new biological hypothesis suggest that significant racial changes can happen within a few thousands of years?PB: In 1916, a single pair (!) of wallabies escaped from a zoo in Oahu. They survived and bred in the wild, and now there is a whole population. They are smaller (to 30%) and more lightly colored than the Aussie wallabies. They eat Hawaiian plants that are poisonous to the Aussie wallabies, because they evolved a new liver enzyme to detoxify them. They can no longer breed with the Australian wallabies, so they qualify as a new species. (Coming soon page | Register your own domain at GKG.NET)Apparently it took only a couple of generations to 'evolve' a novel species. Of course this has NOT been established by a random mechanism, but the new species --and in particular a novel enzyme-- has been created in the MPG. (Mechanism currently unknown, but probably directed germline mutations). All the necessities for surviving in a novel biotope were already present in the genome of the two founders. It is clearcut evidence of the MPG in action. My guess would be that all distinct wallabies we presently recognise as distinct species are derived from one original archetype, i.e. from one baramin.2) Is there any evidence it indeed so happened? This is to say all the races emerged (evolved) from some initial race of Adam and Eve (or may be Noah and his family).PB: It has been observed for Wallabies. If we are allowed to extrapolate these observations to propose an original human archetype, I do not see any objections why it cannot be applied to the original human MPG.
More compelling evidence should be found if we scrutinise characteristics and/or genome-make up in distinct subpopulations of man.Best wishes,
Peter

Dear Aryeh,A: I have an impression it is your own research, isn’t it? I wonder what its status is.PB: It is based on a reanalysis of molecular biological data. The NDT cannot explain life as we know it, so it must be something else. Most likely, it is the NRM and MPG.A: Has it been reviewed by other biologists? Did they confirm your observations? If some of them don’t, what is the main argument against your evidence?PB: There is a lot of denial going on. I am not aware of any compelling arguments against the GUtoB.A: I would speculate that unless you understand the mechanism of the NRM you cannot conclude that it works for humans, can you.PB: The mechanisms are currently under investigation. See also Caporale's topic.A: Suppose however that the NRM has been observed, studied and the mechanism explained. I still will have doubts it took place with the humans in the past. If certain groups of humans suddenly underwent such mutations it would be remembered as the major events of their histories. They have legends telling: once we were white and then suddenly became black or once we were black and then suddenly became Mongoloids. It would be present in the legends and myths of all the peoples on the Earth.
Indeed, imagine a Viking tribe where women suddenly start giving birth to black children. Most likely the parents would simply kill the children, but even if not such an event would be most likely remembered forever.
However such legends and myths are not recorded.PB: Do you remember your grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-fathers colour? Besides, the DNA necessary for variation present in the original human MPG probably got lost --since such DNA is redundant, anyway-- over time and cannot be traced back in the genome.Best wishes,
Peter

Dear Vento,V: This is just something I got while watching my favorite station (Discovery Channel).
Apparantly based on the lack of any significant differences in human DNA they surmised that at one point in history the human was near extinction. Apparantly there should be more variation in DNA. Using the knowledge of mitochondrial DNA and that it has a nearly set mutation rate they have been able to back track and give this near extinction time at sometime 70-80k years ago. It is surmised that the human race was cut down to roughly 10k members and that is what accounts for the lack of variation. They attribute this to a "super volcano."PB: More ad hoc evo-blahblah-explanations on 'mind control'. Contemporary biology has demonstrated a very recent origin of homo sapiens-->Creation. See also my comments on the ZFY region (the region for which they have to postulate this nonsense).
Evolutionism = science fiction.Best wishes
Peter

Dear Peter,P: The relatively small variation amongst humans compared to other
species is more likely caused by the greater prevalance of
inter-breeding in human populations ... what other organisms
do you know that can count ancestors across the whole of europe,
and in some cases asia and africa too?PB: I already discussed the ZFY region with Page. I've demonstrated several times what the problems are with this region, why this region is NOT explained by NDT. I was under the impression that you had read it, since you responded to my claim of NRM in this region in another thread. You are free to believe this kind of evo-nonsense (stories for the gullible), but remember it is NOT backed up by science. On the contrary. What do you think 'evo-scientists' had to invent this time now they found out about the invariant ZFY region. A mega vulcano? Get real. Think for yourself!And about your other organisms.... there are plenty.Best wishes,
Peter[This message has been edited by peter borger, 01-13-2003]

Dear Red Vento:RV: I just thought the program was interesting. It tied in the notion of a "super-volcano" and what its eruption might do to life on Earth. Apparantly there is a "super-volcano" forming under Yellowstone National Park.PB: And therefore humans went through a bottleneck 70 ky BP? What happened to logic?Best wishes,
Peter

dear vento,The logic is this:RV: The last super-volcano eruption was 70-80k years ago.PB: reference pleaseRV: Based on the a realtively fixed rate of mutation in mitochondriaPB: You mean the NONRANDOM mutations in mtDNA? Listen, RV, I have demonstrated recently that the mutations in mtDNA are non-random mutations. The molecular clock is very, very doubtful at the least (according to the mtDNA data human and chimp have a common ancestor 150 ky BP. Funny, isn't). I think Dr Page is making overhours at the moment to solve this little evolutonary inconvenience.RV: they can trace back the relativly few number of deviations in human mitochondria to that same time frame.PB: No they CANNOT since they CANNOT exclude non-random mutations. The whole story is based upon randomness of mutations. And since non-random mutaions have been scientifically demonstrated the whole story is invalid.PB: The theory I believe is that the effects of a super-volcano eruption 70-80k years ago killed off a large number of early humans which is why there are such a low number of genetic differences in us today. The supervolcano eruption is the cause of the bottleneck.PB: The ZFY region mutates also NON-RANDOMLY so all the conclusions from this region are completely invalid. You, indeed, have faith in science fiction.Best wishes,
Peter

dear Vento,V: Every one of the links I posted referenced the last eruption, and all I said was that it was interesting.PB: It is interesting, but it can be demonstrated based on the most recent scientific insights that the conclusions are wrong. The conclusions were based on faulty assumptions.V: And I do have faith in people who are presented as doctors in relevant fields,PB: Than you should have faith in me.V: rather than in a book of dubious origins and those trying to prove its validity. But that's just my opinion.PB: Thanks for your opinion.best wishes,
Peter

dear Dr Page,That human and chimp are the same genus according to your brilliant analysis, was it based upon chromosome 4 or chromosome 17?Best wishes,
Peter"Page knows what I mean"[This message has been edited by peter borger, 01-21-2003]

Dear Peter,P:It would be nice if you started addressing criticism of
your model with elaboration rather than repetition.
Also, I don't believe that NRM has particular relevence to
the question of how YEC's explain the emergence of races.PB: You are right. Did you observe any urgent criticism I missed?Best wishes,
Pter