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ringo

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Message 55 of 205 (434090)
11-14-2007 12:35 PM

Reply to: Message 52 by IamJoseph
11-14-2007 2:17 AM

IamJoseph writes:

Its got nothing to do with 'belief', only logic.

Logic is only as good as the premises it uses. Since your premises are garbage, no amount of logic will derive non-garbage conclusions from them.

Before you try to understand the origins of the English language, you should at least have a hint of a clue about English history - which you don't. 1066 and All That might be a place to start.

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ringo

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Message 64 of 205 (434223)
11-14-2007 11:42 PM

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11-14-2007 9:57 PM

IamJoseph writes:

it is only the name of thie british king which escapes me, who challenged the french and used olde english instead - even forming an official group of scholars and clergy who would translate all archives, including the bible, in english.

The name escapes everybody else too, because there was no such king. The French language had no presence in England until after the Norman conquest in 1066. For centuries after that, all English nobility used Norman French and the commoners used English.

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Message 68 of 205 (434230)
11-15-2007 12:35 AM

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11-14-2007 11:47 PM

Re: Language used

NosyNed writes:

I am not a linguist but I think it is incorrect to say that the commoners spoke English.

I thought about editing that, but I don't want to appear toooo perfect.

According to my recollection (and confirmed by Wikipedia): Old English before the Norman conquest, Middle English until about 1500 and Modern English since.

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Message 72 of 205 (434243)
11-15-2007 1:43 AM

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11-15-2007 1:31 AM

IamJoseph writes:

The name will come to me, then I can check up on that king's reign.

Don't just wait for it to come to you. Go looking for it.
Here's a List of English monarchs to start with.

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