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Author Topic:   How long has modern man been on this earth?
Peg
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Message 26 of 71 (492093)
12-28-2008 6:02 AM
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09-23-2008 3:16 AM


about the same length of time that the written language has been her

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Peg
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Message 27 of 71 (492094)
12-28-2008 6:08 AM
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09-24-2008 5:38 AM


if evolution is not about the origin of life

1. why do so many evolutionists disbelieve in a God?

2. why do evolutionists laugh at intelligent design?

every evolutionist i've seen, is very anti God and anti creation ... evolution is 'how we got here' according to them


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Peg
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Message 34 of 71 (492175)
12-29-2008 3:46 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Coyote
12-28-2008 10:35 AM


Re: Since written language?
Oh i'm sorry, i must really be giving you guys the irrates!

It is a well known fact that there is no 'written text' of any kind that is older then 5,000 years.

when i say written text, i mean a written language.

The only way that human migration can be traced before the advent of written language, is by the evidence of their existence which is dug out of the ground, ie bones, tools, artifacts etc

this puts the timeline of modern humans, ie humans with the ability to write, in line with the biblical account.

(my source 'Origins - An atlas of human migration' published Sept 2007)


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Peg
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Message 35 of 71 (492176)
12-29-2008 3:59 AM
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12-28-2008 7:02 PM


hey bluejay,

it would appear by the archeological record that written language began 5,000 years ago. they have not to this day, unearthed anything older...so my view is that it is as old as the 5,000 odd years that they say it is.

bluejay writes:

In your mind, how long has written language been here?

And, what do you do with the fossilized remains of creatures anatomically identical to modern humans that predate written language? Do you dispute that such fossils exist?

Furthermore, why is written language the marker of choice?

what sort of 'creatures anatomically identical' to modern humans do you mean??? Are you talking about Apes? Homo habilis? Homo erectus? Homo rhodensiensis? Neanderthal???

i dont dispute that the fossils of any of these exist at all.

The written language is the marker for the modern humans that we are today...with the intellect that we have.


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Peg
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Message 41 of 71 (492283)
12-29-2008 7:44 PM
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12-29-2008 6:57 AM


Re: Since written language?
hi percy,

im sorry, i did miss the point on that one

when i thought of modern man, i immediately thought of ourselves as we are today


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Peg
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Message 42 of 71 (492287)
12-29-2008 8:00 PM
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12-29-2008 12:43 PM


hey bluejay

bluejay writes:

Do you believe that intellect suddenly spiked with the advent of written language, and that this spike marks the beginning of what you would call "modern man"?

not really. i believe we were created with it. so for me, 'modern man' would equate to the creation of Adam & Eve.

blueday writes:

There are fossils of humans (i.e., Homo sapiens) that predate the advent of written language. The only difference between those humans and the humans of 5000 years ago is written language.
.
Would you argue that those Amazon tribes and African tribes that still have not invented written language are not "modern man"?

I do acknowledge that the species that came before us were real...however, i also believe that they, like all other animals, were created for a purpose and when their purpose was realized, they were permitted to become extinct....like the dinosaurs for instance.

I wouldnt say that any groups of people who do not have a written language are not modern... they would certainly have the capacity for it, if they have the capcity for language, then they would have to have the capacity for writing...but i have no idea why they dont, perhaps their culture may not require written language???.

bluejay writes:

Would you argue that written language is enough of a distinction between two groups of hominids to call them different species?

i certainly think that written language is unique to todays humans...i've never been presented with anything different...and as i've already stated, written language has only been around for the last 5,000 odd years... unless you can present anything different on this???


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Peg
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Message 43 of 71 (492289)
12-29-2008 8:30 PM
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12-29-2008 2:04 PM


Re: Communication is communicaiton, it isn't limited to morse code, _ _ _ ... ,
hey radz

RAZD writes:

We will now see you equivocate on what "written language" consists of

i see where you are going with this...i was referring to language in terms of, the written word. Yes, paintings are a form of communication too, but these paintings are quite young really...if the carbon 14 dating method that they used to date them is accurate

which is debatable.

radz writes:

Stone tools are the result of communication of technology from one person to another.

im not sure i would equate the use of tools as something that determines modern man for the reason that we can watch animals today use things as tools. the zoo in melbourne has a particular low land gorilla that pulls sticks off bush's to hit other gorillas with and to dig holes in the ground.


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Peg
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Message 45 of 71 (492294)
12-29-2008 9:13 PM
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12-29-2008 8:48 PM


Re: Care to show us evidence Peg?
the common theory is that languages started long ago as grunts, groans and barks. But what do some linguists say??? Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol. I, No. 1, January 1956, p. 11 have a list of quotes from the following people....

Professor of Anthropology and Linguistics G. L. Trager says: “Historical knowledge about existing languages goes back only a few thousand years.”

An article in Science Illustrated of July 1948 stated: “Older forms of the languages known today were far more difficult than their modern descendants . . . man appears not to have begun with a simple speech, and gradually made it more complex, but rather to have gotten hold of a tremendously knotty speech somewhere in the unrecorded past, and gradually simplified it to the modern form.”

Linguist Dr. Mason “the idea that ‘savages’ speak in a series of grunts, and are unable to express many ‘civilized’ concepts, is very wrong.” He adds that “many of the languages of non-literate peoples are far more complex than modern European ones.”—Science News Letter, September 3, 1955.

Linguists say that about 50 percent of earth’s inhabitants speak languages belonging to the Indo-European language family. That puts them all originally in the same area,hence explaining their similarities

Of the 1,000-odd languages spoken in Africa, some three hundred have a remarkable similarity in their unusual grammatical structure. Known as the Bantu language family, they are spoken in most regions south of the equator. “Bantu,” meaning “people,” is a word common to these languages, hence the name “Bantu family.” Linguists believe that the Bantu family descended from a parent language spoken in central West Africa more than two thousand years ago....Again, showing the same origin.

so languages can be traced back to an original source ...this is evidence of a single language being spoken at a particular time in the past... and if you want to believe in the babel story or not, you simply cannot deny the possiblity of it

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Peg
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Message 47 of 71 (492299)
12-29-2008 9:54 PM
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12-29-2008 9:27 PM


Re: Care to show us evidence Peg?
i have a great book called 'Origins, an atlas of human migration'

published in 2007


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