THE END OF EVOLUTION?

THE END OF EVOLUTION?

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The development of symbolic thought and complex communication did
nothing less than alter human evolution. For one thing, high-tech transportation means that the world, though ethnically diverse, now really consists of a single, huge population. "Everything we know about evolution suggests that to get true innovation, you need small, isolated populations," says Tattersall, "which is now unthinkable."

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SourceThe second law of thermodynamics in action. Convergence.
My question is; does evolution comply? And to what end?.

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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal

The article in Time is a rather careless response to the Kansas School
Board's decision to remove evolution from the school curriculum in 1999. The source was included.The authors suggest that human evolution has stalled due to the effect of technology. Evolution is not like every other scientific theory that can be expressed mathematically, so we have no way of checking it's status. Instead we have to rely on the experts in the field.So what is the situation. Has human evolution stopped or is it accelerating at 100 times it's previous rate (which we've been told lately).Or do you make it up as you go along? The second law requires a system to converge to an equilibrium at some time. Has human evolution reached this equilibrium?

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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal

Okay, using a analogy, you have a jar, quarter fill the jar with white sand and then another quarter with black sand on top. That is state 'A' in human evolution at some time in the past.Now give the jar a good shake until the sand is mixed through, state 'B' in human evolution.The sand in the jar has reached equilibrium, no matter what you do to the jar now, any little bit of organisation you may get by shaking the jar is offset by another shaking of the jar.Are we at this stage in human evolution?

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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal

It is possible that I may be over cynical when assessing the motivation of articles by popular magazines such as Time and NG. By the National Academy of Science for one.

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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal

Hi Granny. Yes I understand that they are speculating. Lack of facts has never been an obstacle to the evolutionary theorists from forging ahead with their theory. Well one of the problems is that the meaning of the TOE changes every other day. Its a bit hard to get a grip of what it does actually means. I have an interest in science, always have. I have two degrees. But I can guarantee that I wouldn't last through an hours lecture on Biology or Geology. I don't consider disciplines that are based on unsupported assumptions science. There is no such thing as a closed system. And there is no requirement that a system be closed to reach equilibrium. ALL systems reach equilibrium. That's a law of nature.The temperature of a pot of boiling water will reach equilibrium at 100⁰C irrespective of how much energy you put into the system. The earth is another. Evolution MUST reach equilibrium at some point. When is the question.

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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal

Cavediver.You come into this thread with all guns ablazing. With a WTF are you taking about and I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm a liar. You have contributed nothing of any value. The reality is that I don't give a flying fuck what you think. Now piss off out of this thread so that we can discuss the issue at hand. Edited by LucyTheApe, : No reason given.

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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal

The second law of thermodynamics holds right?Edited by LucyTheApe, : No reason given.

Everything can be expressed mathematically. That's what maths does; explains things in a universal language! A French speaking person should be able to understand germ theory just as well as an English speaking person. PaulK, I'm making the connection. Evolution is based on information. Thermodynamics extends to information as Shannon pointed out. To advance the TOE we need a mathematical expression. Peepul, your reference seems like apologetics for the TOE. A law's a law, ignorance is no excuse. Find a counterexample to disprove T2ndLOTD. In this context, the information contained wihin the human genome. Whether it is decaying (homogenization) or introducing new information. The article and the National Academy of Sciences are at odds. Yes they are caffeine, they're totally at odds. As I've said Tag, systems reach equilibrium without the necessity of being closed. We don't know of a closed system. Except the universe as a whole.

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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal

Cavediver, what can I say? Um..You're a dick head. You claim to be a physicist...but I realized how stupid you were when you claimed, with authority in a previous thread, that mass increases with velocity.A snowflake contains no inherited information. It forms according to its environment when the conditions are right. This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.Please just stay out of this thread. Your input, from my experience, is like a cancer; it, like the 2ndLTD, destroys discussion. Just ignore my stupidity and allow me to make an arse out of myself, that's my right. I'm trying to apply the 2nd law to the human genome.
Don't worry about what talk.origins say. We're more sophisticated than them.Take a photocopy for example. It's not exact. That's not good enough for communication or for reproduction of living systems. The next copy is tending toward equilibrium, it destroys information. In computer science we deal with it by checking the information against a polynomial remainder, the more sophisticated the polynomial, the greater the chance of reproducing the original signal, or intended information. G'day bluejay, and what a beautiful example your avatar is of organization. One says that evolution is accelerating and one says that evolution has basically stopped.They're at odds. Yeh PaulK, that's me doing that, that's what this thread is about. Thanks Percy, it's not an easy task to apply this concept. But it is necessary for our understanding of life. Thanks WK, exactly the issue here. Firstly Percy, you don't know my mind. But in response to your post natural laws are information. Thanks sfs. Nothing defies the 2nd LOT .A program (information) uses it. There is information (organization) in the genetic program. Natural processes.Edited by LucyTheApe, : No reason given.Edited by LucyTheApe, : No reason given.Edited by LucyTheApe, : No reason given.

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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal

Not the issue here dwise but you're wrong. If you want to discuss this issue with me and CD then start a new thread.

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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal

If you promise to give $200 to the nearest high school maths teacher, I'll dig it out. That's assuming order Percy, we're not there yet.

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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal

If you agree that entropy can be applied to the human genome we can move on.

Coyote writes:

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But for those who believe, no stretch of the data seems to be too much if it makes that data conform to dogma.

Michamus writes:

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Lucy, it seems that you (and a few others) on this topic really have a vague idea of the 2LoT. Here is a link to a page that delves into what the term entropy is really in reference to in the 2LoT. I hope this clears things up a bit.

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caffiene writes:

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but this is his personal suspicion - he's not pretending it's established by their research.

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1. Percy, where does matter acquire intelligence?
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2. The connection is obvious, laws apply.
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   Chemistry is reactional, it obey all laws.
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3. Percy, there are threads that deal with bible study, this is a science thread.
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4. Laws affect everything.
5. The cell has reproduced 73 000 000 times in 200 000 years, which is stretching things a bit, I think. But the ability of the cell to reproduce with its intended information is amazing and must have some mathematical explanation.
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   How does it work in terms of energy?
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   We're all looking for a unified theory.

OK, I'll get to my point after dealing with the critisism.

1. Percy writes:

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   My post said that all matter must obey the laws of our universe, and the fact that some of this matter possesses intelligence cannot overcome those laws. Your response is a non sequitur.
2. PaulK writes:

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   So where's the connection ?
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   But you are going to have to get deeply into the chemistry to get anywhere with it.
3. Percy writes:

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   The requirement of Biblical inerrancy blinds creationists to the real evidence
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4. Theodoric writes:

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   How many times must you be shown that that the 2nd law has no bearing on the human genome
5. Straggler writes:

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   I am going along with your argument here - You seem to be saying that information can result in a decrease in entropy?
How does this work in terms of energy?

Why is it that a person like me with so little applied understanding of the sciences can argue against the belief of so many scientists?Percy, your spent fuel is no longer any good for the combustion engine, but it's fuel for the plants that will eventually fuel your engine again. But what's that got to do with the 2nd law?All the laws of thermodynamics are easily understood, that's because they make sense and can be seen to work.There are people on this thread trying to make out that the 2nd law is as hard to understand as the TOE.A stone sits on the ground because that's where it's at equilibrium with its environment. Lift it up and it will eventually drop down again. It's that simple.But the point of this thread.One study says that the human genome has become homogeneous. That is what you would expect if there were more than a single set of genetic instructions and those sets were all put into a pot, according the the 2nd law. Just like if you mix black paint with white paint it turns gray.The second study or assertation by the grand pubahs is that evolution is 100 times faster than in the past.One of the most important properties of the genetic program is its ability to withstand change of its information. That corresponds to its inherent code. Take a Hamming code for example, the greater the checking the more likely the intended information will be retrieved.So you can get bombardment of high energy particles into the cell nucleus but on most occasions the correct information will still be retrieved.So is evolution increasing? No, it never started there was only ever one human genomic seed with all it's functionality able to express its favored form given its environment.Is the human genome homogenizing? No. It is already homogeneous, it expresses itself according to its environment. You move up to the north pole your great grandchildren will reduce there melanin expression, move onto the equator, they will regain it. It's already there.The only reason evolutionists can be so greatly at odds only speaks of the their theory.God is to an atheist as a cop is to a thief.

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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal