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Huntard
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Message 271 of 284 (507780)
05-08-2009 1:35 AM
Reply to: Message 267 by bluescat48
05-07-2009 6:19 PM


Re: Quantum Gap
Trev777 writes:
Shame on you -this is blasphemous disrespect for Christian members on this site.
bluescat48 writes:
Could please explain the above remark.
I'm guessing he's upset at the "jesus was a cock sucker" comment.

I hunt for the truth

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Peepul
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Message 272 of 284 (507840)
05-08-2009 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by Percy
05-03-2009 9:30 AM


Re: Quantum Gap
I'm a software engineer, and during my entire professional career I've had to live with the apparent reality that a fair number of engineers and programmers, my friends and fellow co-workers, are fertile ground for pseudoscientific claptrap. As near as I can make out, it's not uncommon for them to be savants of a sort who possess amazing intuitions that along with their training enable them to solve complex problems. But somehow missing from their makeup is any sense that even outside of their professional life ideas must still be anchored in reality to have any validity. This enables them to believe all sorts of nonsense while still able to be not just competent but even amazing engineers and programmers.
I have been one in an oil company, and still work in the same field as an IT architect - and I haven't found many like that. Maybe it's just not something we've got into discussing at work, maybe it's a cultural difference between the UK and US. Maybe it's the kind of software being written. Some of them have been into 'detox' and all that mumbo jumbo but that's as far as it goes!
I agree with Granny that a software engineering background does lead people to wrong conclusions about how biological systems work.

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Percy
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Message 273 of 284 (507841)
05-08-2009 12:31 PM
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05-08-2009 12:21 PM


Re: Quantum Gap
Peepul writes:
...maybe it's a cultural difference between the UK and US.
Could be. How susceptible would you say your co-workers are to homeopathy, which is as out of control in the UK as creationism is here?
--Percy

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Peepul
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Message 274 of 284 (507842)
05-08-2009 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Percy
05-08-2009 12:31 PM


Re: Quantum Gap
I don't really know - I haven't seen much evidence of it.

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lyx2no
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Message 275 of 284 (507845)
05-08-2009 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Huntard
05-08-2009 1:35 AM


Re: Quantum Gap
I'm guessing he's upset at the "#@*(_&#$&*)*()_(*(^" comment.
Though, "blasphemous" is clearly modifying "disrespect". Is this just poor English or is 777 under the impression that showing Christians disrespect is blasphemy?
I agree with Theodoric: a none member of a group can not commit blasphemy against that group's beliefs any more then a Rwandan can be treasonous to Andorra.
Edited by lyx2no, : Typo.
Edited by lyx2no, : Double negative.

Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

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Theodoric
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Message 276 of 284 (507872)
05-08-2009 3:19 PM
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05-08-2009 12:51 PM


Re: Quantum Gap
quote:
a none member of a group can not commit blasphemy against that group's beliefs any more then a Rwandan can not be treasonous to Andorra.
But in their minds we really do believe what they believe but are just evil people.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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bluescat48
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Message 277 of 284 (507895)
05-08-2009 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Theodoric
05-08-2009 3:19 PM


Re: Quantum Gap
But in their minds we really do believe what they believe but are just evil people.
Well maybe if they cleaned out their mind of such nonsense then maybe they could be rational.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Trev777
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Message 278 of 284 (507998)
05-09-2009 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by lyx2no
05-08-2009 12:51 PM


Re: Quantum Gap
On the matter of SHAME , Frans de Waal asks: Why do humans blush? We're the only primate that does so in response to embarrassing situations(shame), or when caught in a lie (guilt), and one wonders why we needed such an obvious signal to communicate these self conscious feelings. Blushing interferes with the unscrupulous manipulation of others. Were early humans subjected to selection pressures to keep them honest? What was it's survival value?
(New Scientist, 31Jan 09 P41)

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onifre
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Message 279 of 284 (508002)
05-09-2009 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Rahvin
05-07-2009 7:09 PM


Re: Quantum Gap
I happen to have known many "cocksuckers," and I certainly don't consider it to be a negative thing.
Give it a while, we all live to regret one or two "cocksuckers", eventually.

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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RAZD
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Message 280 of 284 (508007)
05-09-2009 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by Trev777
05-09-2009 4:49 PM


Blushing and reproduction success.
Hi again, Trev777,
We're the only primate that does so in response to embarrassing situations(shame), or when caught in a lie (guilt), and one wonders why we needed such an obvious signal to communicate these self conscious feelings. Blushing interferes with the unscrupulous manipulation of others. Were early humans subjected to selection pressures to keep them honest? What was it's survival value?
Breeding. It would not work for any primate with facial hair.
http://animal.discovery.com/...riefs/20060313/birdblush.html
quote:
According to a recent paper in the journal Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology, blushing appears to cool down physically and/or emotionally heated birds. It also likely indicates the condition or status of the blusher.
Lead author Juan Jos Negro told Animal Planet News that there probably are similarities between bird and human blushing.
"Young girls going to balls used to pinch their cheeks to enhance facial redness," he explained. "Some women today wear rouge, as they want to show men that they are beautiful and in good condition. Birds also attempt to look good for their mates, so there is a parallel."
Seeing as there is significant evidence of sexual selection in humans, one more feature that would be reinforced by such selection is not a big surprise, nor much of a concern.
Enjoy.

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onifre
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Message 281 of 284 (508015)
05-09-2009 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by Trev777
05-09-2009 4:49 PM


Re: Quantum Gap
We're the only primate that does so in response to embarrassing situations(shame), or when caught in a lie (guilt),
We also do it when we feel shy, awkward, attracted to someone, humbled, etc...
Were early humans subjected to selection pressures to keep them honest? What was it's survival value?
Ever been to jail?
Honesty between you and the members of your social group can help you survive in many situations. In other words, the fact that you can't be honest and up front with your group will get you fucked up in certain places.
Trust between you and the memebers of your group builds a strong group and leads to better success in anything that involved the group, like hunting big game.
I would say it was a great advantage to be able to trust the members of your group, and knowing they can be honest is one way to build that trust.
- Oni

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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LucyTheApe
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Message 282 of 284 (510251)
05-29-2009 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 277 by bluescat48
05-08-2009 4:29 PM


Re: Quantum Gap
bluescat writes:
Well maybe if they cleaned out their mind of such nonsense then maybe they could be rational.
Bluescat, would u consider cleaning out your mind?

There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.
blz paskal

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bluescat48
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Message 283 of 284 (510256)
05-29-2009 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 282 by LucyTheApe
05-29-2009 9:37 AM


Re: Quantum Gap
I have done so on a number of occasions which is one reason I am an Atheist.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Message 284 of 284 (510272)
05-29-2009 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by bluescat48
05-29-2009 10:17 AM


blues -- Lucy !
You've wasted 2 posts with the silly sniping at each other.
I know, I know, Lucy started it but that isn't a good enough excuse blues.
Stop it now!

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