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Karl
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Message 23 of 239 (21025)
10-29-2002 11:48 AM


Original sin is Augustinian and dates from long before the Reformation or even the 1054 East/West split. It is a part of the vast majority of Christian belief systems.
However, it does not have to mean "Adam ate this fruit and ever since we've.......". Most non-fundamentalist theologians find it more useful to see original sin in the sense of humans having a selfish imperative. Evolution, incidently, explains extremely well from a scientific POV exactly why that might be - the Australopithecus who gives someone else his food is less likely to be the one ancestral to H. habilis.....

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Karl
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Message 103 of 239 (22692)
11-14-2002 11:22 AM


Simple fact - the vast majority of child abusers are heterosexual. Gay men are attracted to other adult men, not children.
You really believe that just asking God will make the homosexual heterosexual? Not so; there are a lot of ex-ex-gays out there who will tell you it didn't work.

Karl
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Message 105 of 239 (22704)
11-14-2002 11:49 AM


Oh - and chapter and verse proving that it was homosexuality that got Sodom destroyed would be appreciated.

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Karl
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Message 114 of 239 (22834)
11-15-2002 5:42 AM


In other words, there is no verse saying that homosexuality was the sin that got Sodom destroyed. It was sin in general.
You quote an example of a desire to gang rape a bunch of angels. Can't really equate that with a committed homosexual relationship can you? If the verse had read that the men of Sodom raped women, would you assume that it was heterosexual sex that got Sodom destroyed?
Thank you and good night.

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Karl
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Message 116 of 239 (22849)
11-15-2002 10:33 AM


My point is that I don't see what isn't there. My point would stand if they had gang banged the angels. I'll re-read the story tonight an post some thoughts after the weekend.

Karl
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Message 128 of 239 (23060)
11-18-2002 3:26 AM


Right, Allen. I've found in the Bible where it says exactly what Sodom did wrong:
Ezekiel 16:49-50a
Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me.
The only way you're going to get homosexuality into that is to read your own prejudice and bigotry into it. You have a choice - believe what is actually in the Bible, or make up what suits your personal distate and sense of moral outrage.
Interesting, that - God's concerned about how we treat other people, not what we get up to between consenting adults. You wouldn't think it, given many of His followers, would you?

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Karl
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Message 130 of 239 (24602)
11-27-2002 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by Karl
11-18-2002 3:26 AM


Oooh - he ran away.....

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