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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
[QUOTE][B]What if the family believes that siblings should marry to "keep the bloodline pure"?[/QUOTE]
[/B] If they are of legal age, what's the problem?
[QUOTE][B]Are you saying that this is ok[/QUOTE] [/B] No, I never said that existing abuse laws should be nulled. But I think that gov't shouldn't require teaching of logic or interfere with parent's teaching their kids whatever religion they want.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
[QUOTE][B]I remember, on another board, when this topic came up someone posted a set of guidelines from the 19th century for newlyweds on how the bride could avoid having sex with her new husband. It would have been quite funny if they weren't truly serious about it.[/QUOTE]
[/B] What's wrong with it? If your wife doesn't want to have sex and you force her into, that's rape. It's not different from if you did that to your next-door neighbor.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by gene90:
Which is patently false. Sex, whether hetero or homo, can very well be harmful. here you are quite wrong yourself. It is not sex which is the problem, but as I keep saying, it is ignorance about sex. So then do you have a right to harrass Mormons on the street? Or wouldn't that be religious intolerance? Would you drive up to a gas station, and if you saw a Christian fish on a vehicle there, confront the driver about his religious preferences and tell him about how unreasonable he is? Why not, they harrass us when they come to our doors. Then what right have you to criticize my moral values? Because they are based on ignorance in this case. Only if you presuppose there is no God, just as I presuppose there is. What imperical evidence do you have that your god actually exists? The difference is that he isn't trying to impose his non-belief on all if given half a chance as many theists would and do. "There's no transitional fossils!" "There's no evidence of God!" Show me god's fossils. [This message has been edited by nos482, 10-24-2002]
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by gene90:
If they are of legal age, what's the problem? I see that you know nothing of genetics. No, I never said that existing abuse laws should be nulled. But I think that gov't shouldn't require teaching of logic or interfere with parent's teaching their kids whatever religion they want. Many religions teach "spare the rod and spoil the child" to mean that children should be beatened to keep them moral and obedient. Existing anti-abuse laws "interfer" with their right to practice thier beliefs in this regard. Plus, there are so-called Christian "scientists" who let their children die horrible deaths because they believe that all they need to do is pray to their god to heal them.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by gene90:
What's wrong with it? If your wife doesn't want to have sex and you force her into, that's rape. It's not different from if you did that to your next-door neighbor. That isn't the issue here. It is not about rape or force, it is about discouraging sex for pleasure. The bride is being told to hate sex and only to have it in order to reproduce and not take any pleasure in it at all. If they had artifical insemination back then it would have probably been the standard required practice so they wouldn't have to actually touch each other.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Sorry I probably wanted to put a at the end of that message. That was a joke, Gene. ...such a serious young man.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Between consenting adults, right? Other than that, right on. PS And I include polygamy, too, but not just polygyny. [This message has been edited by schrafinator, 10-24-2002]
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compmage Member (Idle past 5175 days) Posts: 601 From: South Africa Joined: |
quote: I was giving my opinion on how a child should be raised. It is how I am going to try and raise my son. I never ment to imply that this is the method the government should force all parents to adopt. The fact that I consider force-feeding a child religion damaging and abusive does not mean that I should be allowed to force you (or anyone else) to raise your children in any manner different from what you think is best. I am excluding parents that think burning children with irons or some such is acceptable, etc. ------------------compmage
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John Inactive Member |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by gene90:
[B]Actually what you said in Post 115 of this thread was: [QUOTE][B] Homosexuality could be due to the extreme similarity of the sexes. It could be that it provides some positive social bonding. It could be that it simply isn't harmful.[/QUOTE] [/B] Oh.... hmmm.... I stand corrected. I must change that to "it simply isn't that harmful"
quote: Ok. Everything has some degree of danger to it. I don't see that homosexuality is any more dangerous than heterosexuality or, say, driving a car on a daily basis, or working a high stress job.
quote: No.
quote: It would be. Despite our differences, we have to live together. This is the key issue for me. As long as I am not being imposed upon by a faith, I am happy to let it be.
quote: I wouldn't, no. Though I have been approached and preached at by those fish-on-car people. Again, we have to live together.
quote: In my case, it is ultimately a selfish endeavor. What you believe is mostly irrelevant to me, but your reasons for what you believe may effect my reasons for my own beliefs. I try to think of everything, but I am not quite so arrogant as to think that I can succeed at that. You are a check and balance. It would be flattering if I converted you, but I wouldn't spend so much time here for that reason. Like I said, what you believe doesn't effect me for the most part. (Of course, this changes in the political arena. Laws do effect me.)
quote: It is a theory of knowledge issue. What is the source of our knowledge? Empirical information. Any other stating point requires a greater number of assumptions. There is no evidence for a God.
quote: Except there are transitional fossils. Very bad analogy. Gene, in any other arena, would you believe something for which there is no evidence? ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
[QUOTE][B]Ok. Everything has some degree of danger to it. I don't see that homosexuality is any more dangerous than heterosexuality or, say, driving a car on a daily basis, or working a high stress job.
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[/B] And I agree. I don't think a monogamous homosexual relationship is more dangerous than monogamous hetero.
[QUOTE][B]Gene, in any other arena, would you believe something for which there is no evidence?[/QUOTE] [/B] Actually I believe I have highly subjective evidence that there is a God, but you would just say that I've found a way to release endorphins on demand. Nos would put it in a much less charitable way. In any other arena is a bit loaded. In science? No because everything in science is physical and must leave some sort of evidence. Well maybe, I believe there is *probably* some extraterrestrial life in the universe but with no evidence...although some would argue probability is on my side therefore it does not count. In religion? If I were not a theist I would still have to accept the possibility rather than just to decide one day there is no God. By the way I'm not sure there's no *historical* evidence for God either but I'm not going to mess with that yet.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
[QUOTE][B]Between consenting adults, right?[/QUOTE]
[/B] Of course. I recognize that slavery still exists, even in Europe and parts of the US.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
[QUOTE][B]The fact that I consider force-feeding a child religion damaging and abusive[/QUOTE]
[/B] I don't see any evidence of that. And ultimately the child grows up and makes his own decisions. In fact a lot of our resident atheists started out like that.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
[QUOTE][B]That isn't the issue here. It is not about rape or force, it is about discouraging sex for pleasure. The bride is being told to hate sex and only to have it in order to reproduce and not take any pleasure in it at all.[/QUOTE]
[/B] Your message implied it only told the bride how to avoid having sex if she did not want to have sex. You did not say it discouraged sex.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
[QUOTE][B]I see that you know nothing of genetics.[/QUOTE]
[/B] I didn't say that inbreeding does not have negative consequences, I said that people have a right to marry whoever they want.
[QUOTE][B]Many religions teach "spare the rod and spoil the child" to mean that children should be beatened to keep them moral and obedient.[/QUOTE] [/B] I personally don't have an opinion on that so this comment has fallen upon deaf ears.
[QUOTE][B]Plus, there are so-called Christian "scientists" who let their children die horrible deaths because they believe that all they need to do is pray to their god to heal them.[/QUOTE] [/B] That's legal in Canada? Here in the US I believe that would fall under our child neglect laws.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
Sorry then.
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