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Author Topic:   From chimp to man: it's as easy as 1, 2, 3!
TheLiteralist
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Message 1 of 128 (247400)
09-29-2005 7:13 PM


I have run across this idea a few times recently. It makes evolution from monkey to man seem soooo easy. For instance, in Message 185, one can read the statement:
I mean, how different are chimps and people really? Lose some hair, shorten the arms, lengthen the legs, etc.
Now, chimps and humans are extant species and I realize no evolutionist is actually proposing that chimps evolved into humans (but the official proposal is that chimps and humans have a common ancestor). However, I take issue with what appears to be an oversimplification of the process. It was my understanding that it was not old structures evolving into new structures but that, according to the theory, all changes in structure are the result of mutations to DNA.
So, then, are the necessary DNA mutations considered in simple-sounding statments like "just shorten the arms and lose some hair?" (And, really, aren't there more than 5 or 6 differences between the two types of creatures?) Does the transition from chimp to human stay so simple-sounding when trying to mutate from chimp DNA to human DNA in a step-by-step method? Does it stay possible, even?
If current science is simply too ignorant to know, then isn't rather un-scientific-like to say such things?
--Jason

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TheLiteralist
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Message 7 of 128 (247763)
09-30-2005 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Nuggin
09-30-2005 10:02 AM


Re: Quote Mining in the extreme
Nuggin,
I have taken your quote out of context, I apologize. It was unintentional. I am guilty of skimming in this case. The sentence caught my eye. And I had seen a very similar statement earlier Message 44:
Andya Primanda writes:
Let's see...I'll use the gibbon as my starting point and to change it to a modern man:
-Increase overall body size.
-Increase brain volume
-Shorten body hair
-Make face flatter
-Make canine teeth smaller...
...There. From gibbon to human, nothing new needed, just variations. We can bring this to the Human Origins forum if you like.
(And maybe I'm taking Andya Primanda out of context...he/she is perfectly welcome to correct me on the point.)
I'm glad you set the record straight on the context. However, I think my argument still stands that many evos (and probably even creos) are oversimplifying the problem by focusing on changes needed in the physical features...when the focus should be on changes needed in the DNA.
--Jason
This message has been edited by TheLiteralist, 09-30-2005 05:19 PM

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TheLiteralist
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Message 10 of 128 (248010)
10-01-2005 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Nuggin
09-30-2005 11:00 PM


It was understandable
Hi Nuggin,
Your reaction was understandable. No prob'.
--Jason
This message has been edited by TheLiteralist, 10-01-2005 06:07 PM

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TheLiteralist
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Message 12 of 128 (248408)
10-03-2005 2:48 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by coffee_addict
10-01-2005 8:36 PM


non-mating tarantulas
Hi Lam,
Okay. It's sort of a side issue...more along the lines of "what defines a species." Do you know whether anyone has tried to create offspring from two non-mating tarantula species through artificial insemination?
Sometimes the "no procreation" boundary between species is more of a cultural type thing (for instance, the members of the other species may be the "wrong" color). I'm just wondering if that has been ruled out.
Or, is it that the different species will mate but just can't produce offspring?
--Jason

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