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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
After my rebuttal went online for several months, the Harun Yahya committee tried to counter my claim. They put an article to counter my site, here's the link:
http://www.harunyahya.com/70reply_andya_primanda.php Need some ammo, guys. Their main points are: my page: need help! I have to return the compliment.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: They seem to be arguing that if sahelanthropus is 'more-modern' then evolution is falsified. This is silly. At worst, we've got the family tree wrong. quote: The same flaw as above appears here too. They present the ToE as Lamarkianism-- straw man, and dishonest as well. The final paragraph about the austs. is another straw man. They present mutation as kind-of a gestalt, all or nothing transformation. It is the hopeful-monster view-point. quote: It actually looks to me like they do accept the bush view, but claim that such a view falsifies evolution. Another straw man. They are taking the ladder view of evolution and cannonizing it. Then falsifying it. Wow... gee... that's a trick. The gist of it seems to me to be that 'the fossil record is a mess so evolution is falsified' quote: quote: Lets look at the summary: 1) Gee said 'not from direct fossil evidence' he did not say 'not from any evidence' In this case the evidence is from genetic studies. 2) The 'frustrating fossil gap' is a meaningless argument. For it to have weight one has to jump to the conclusion that there are no fossils to fill the gap instead of to the more rational conclusion that we haven't yet found any fossils to fill it. 3) The 'missing link' idea is completely untenable. The missing link idea is a vestige of great-chain-of-being thought. It is the Hollywood half-man/half-ape fantasy. This is an attack upon a theory that is long dead. ------------------
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5111 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Hi Andya,
Since I'm not a paleontologist, I took the liberty of posting your request to Infidels forum. Here's the thread so you can follow the responses yourself. We've already got a nibble. Ergaster is a paleoanthropologist, verrry sharp and knowledgeable. If anyone can help you out, the scientists who haunt IIDB should be able to.
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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
Thanks. I'll track its progress.
And bump.
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peter borger Member (Idle past 6904 days) Posts: 965 From: australia Joined: |
Dear John,
How was it again with the line up and the position of the foramen magnum in these 'primates'? I couldn't make much of it, and still can't. So, could you please help me out? best wishes,
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peter borger Member (Idle past 6904 days) Posts: 965 From: australia Joined: |
Dear John,
How was it again with the line up and the position of the foramen magnum in these 'primates'? I couldn't make much of it, and still can't. So, could you please help me out? best wishes,
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I'm not sure what you want PeterB. but I'll take a shot. The position of the foramen magnum-- the connection point between the head and spine-- implies the angle at which the head rests. This in turn implies the general posture of the animal. Think about how your head is positioned on your neck. Then get down on your hands and knees and raise your head to look around. It is pretty easy to understand how it would be helpful for your spine to attach to your head a little further back. This is where it attaches in animals like dogs. The more upright an animal's posture the further foreward, or under, the foramen magnum rolls. Sahelanthropus has a foramen magnum positioned within the range you'd expect for a bipedal animal-- not quite as far forward as in humans but pretty far foreward nonetheless. ------------------
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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
Bump. How's it going, Q?
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5111 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Hi Andya,
Sorry, I thought you were linking to it. For the delectation of all concerned, here are Ergaster's comments, in toto: quote:
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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
I followed the discussion there, but the thread sunk under some 'local' threads. Quetzal, can you re-heat the thread there? Tell them that Harun Yahya had successfully made creationism an international problem. Also, I am waiting for Ergaster's further comments.
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wj Inactive Member |
Andya
The thread has slipped over to page 2 of that board. Ergaster hasn't posted anything further yet.
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Ahmad Inactive Member |
Assala Moalaikum brother Andya,
Your attempts to return the compliment to brother Harun Yahya is worth the attempt. Brother Yahya makes a lot of good points in his article and it will take one hell of a bunch of atheists to help you out with this. But keep trying.... Regards,
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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
Thanks for the support. Honest. The only reason there are only atheists helping me is that there are no serious Muslim scientists active in EvC (I count myself as a scientist apprentice; Delshad is still a student).
Anyway, don't you think that science is equally accessible to both atheists and theists of every stripe? As long as they do not question my faith I do not feel annoyed by their help. You might find their own statements interesting:
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Ahmad Inactive Member |
There's no harm in seeking knowledge. Knowledge is fardh (obligaotory) for every Muslim. But why should we seek knowledge from flagrantly godless people who have devoted their whole life to materialism?? Are there no other means?
Salam,
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John Inactive Member |
quote: This characature of we godless hordes is eternally amusing. ------------------
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