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Author Topic:   Does evidence of transitional forms exist ? (Hominid and other)
almeyda
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Message 253 of 301 (111347)
05-29-2004 2:11 AM


There arent any undisputed hominid tran-forms out there. If there was evolution would of been fact a long long time ago. The missing link is missing simply because he does not exist. Could anyone answer if humans have evolved. Should there by now after 4 billion yrs be at least one undisputed link?.
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almeyda
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Message 257 of 301 (111530)
05-30-2004 12:58 AM
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05-29-2004 11:48 AM


The missing link between ape and man would have to be a type of primitive man of some sort. But again every missing link so far has been disputed. Not just primitive but a difference in organic design also. The missing link is still missing because he does not exist.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/506.asp
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almeyda
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Message 261 of 301 (111965)
06-01-2004 3:06 AM


Hold up a second. About the so called ape/primitive man. The chart you gave me was made up of no proof of ape-human connection.
CHIMPANZEES - There is no connection of chimpazees and humans. The similar DNA?. The amount of information even between 3-4%. This is an impossible barrier for randon changes across. A high similar degree of DNA sequences does not mean or prove anything.
AUSTRALOPITHECUS - Lucys bones have been imaginatively restored in museums worldwide to look like an apewomen, with a apelike face, head, but women like body, hands and feet. However the original Lucy fossil did not include the upper jaw, nor most of the skull, nor hand and foot bones. Several other specimens of 'Afarensis' do have the long curved fingers & toes of tree-dwellers as well as the restricted wrist anotomy of knuckle- walking chimpanzees & gorillas. Dr Marvin Lubenow quotes the evolutionist Matt Cartmill (Duke university), David Pilbeam (Harvard university) & the late Glynn Isaac (Harvard university): "The australopithecines are rapidly sinking back to the status of perculiarly specialized apes..."
HOMOHABILIS - The most well known is called KNMER. Comprising a fossil skull and leg bones found by Richard Leakey in Kenya. Spoors CAT scans of the inner ear of a homo habilis skull known as Stw 53 show that it walkedmore like a baboon than a human. Today most researchers including Spoor, regard homo habilis as a "wastebin of various species, including bits andpieces from Australopithecues and homo erectus, and not as a valid category. In other words it never existed as such, and so cannot be used to support supposed link between australopithecine apes and true man.
HOMO ERECTUS - Excavations of many of these fossils show evidence of the use of tools, control of fire, burying the dead, and using red ochre as decoration. Spoors CAT scans of the inner ear architecture show that their posture was just like ours. Their brain size was also within human range. Research on Flores has shown evidence of seafaring skill Even evolutionists concede that they should be put in the same species as Homo-sapien.
HOMO NEANDERTHALENSIS - This group lived in Europe & the Mediterranean lands. The first recontructed fossil suffered from diseases such as rickets, vitamin d deficiency which can result in the bowing of ther skeleton. Despite many attempts made on the basis of mitochondrial DNA fragments in one set of Neandertal bones to try to assign them to a different specie, even some evolutionist authorities claim that they should be regarded as homo-sapiens.
Evolutionists themselves have stated comments suggesting that all the evidence for man’s ancestry would fit in a single coffin or billard table. The study of human ancestry by evolutionists are based on a bias. Evolution has occured and humans have evolved. It follows guidelines and rules. The millions of yrs required have occured, man has evolved over a line of semi-human creatures from some original human ancestor, that the evidence found is strong concerning anatomy, age, presumed evolutionary relationship, the evidence must then fit the framework but the evidence does not fit an evolution of humans from apelike creatures.
The Non-Transitions in ‘Human Evolution’on Evolutionists’ Terms | Answers in Genesis

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almeyda
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Message 266 of 301 (112311)
06-02-2004 1:21 AM


BTW. Please let me know if these quotes have been taken out of context.
"The fossils that decorate our family tree are so scarce that there are still more scientist than specimens. The remarkable fact is that all the physical evidence we have for human evolution can still be placed with no room to spare, inside a single coffin" - Dr Lyall Watson
"Amid the bewildering array of early fossil hominoids, is there one whose morphology marks it as mans hominid ancestor? If the factor of genetic variability is considered, the answer appears to be no" - Robert B. Eckhardt, Pennsylvania State University, USA
"In recent years several authors have written popular books on human origins which were based more on fantasy and subjectivity than on fact and objectivity. At the moment science cannot offer a full answer on the origin of humanity, but scientific method takes us closer to the truth...
As far as geologically more recent evidence is concerned, the discovery in East Africa of apparent remains of Homo in the same early fossil sites as both gracile and robust australopithecines has thrown open once again the question of the direct relevance of the latter to human evolution. So one is forced to conclude that there is no clear-cut scientific picture of human evolution" - Dr Robert Martin, Zoological Society of London
"For example, no scientist could logically dispute the proposition that man, without having been involved in any act of divine creation, evolved from some ape-like creature in a very short space of time - speaking in geological terms - without leaving any fossil traces of the steps of the transformation.
As I have already implied, students of fossil primates have not been distinguished for caution when working within the logical constraints of their subject. The record is so astonishing that it is legitimate to ask whether much science is yet to be found in this field at all" - Lord Solly Zuckerman
"Modern apes, for instance, seem to have sprung out of nowhere. They have no yesterday, no fossil record. And the true origin of modern man - of upright, naked, toolmaking, big brained beings - is, if we are to be honest with ourselves, an equally mysterious matter" - Dr Lyall Watson
"Echoing the criticism made of his fathers Habilis skulls, he added that Lucys skull was so incomplete that most of it was "imagination made of plaster of paris", thus making it impossible to draw any firm conclusion about what specie she belonged to" - Referring to comments made by Richard Leakey (Director of National Museums Kenya) in The Weekend Australia, 7-8 May 1983, Magazine p3)
"The entire hominid collection known today would barely cover a billiard table, but it has spawned a science because it is distinguished by two factors which inflate its apparent relevance far beyond its merits. First, the fossils hint at the ancestry of a supremely self-important animal - ourselves. Secondly, the collection is so tantalisingly in complete, and the specimens themselves often so fragmentary and inconclusive, that more can be said about what is missing that what is present. Hence the amazing quantity of literature on the subject. Very few fossils indeed afford just one, incontrovertible interpretation of their evolutionary significance. Most are capable of supporting several interpretations. Different authoritites are free to stress different features with validity, often placing remarkable emphasis on the form they propose for the bits that are missing. Points to distinguishing the various interpretations may be so slight or unclear that each depends as much upon the proponents preconceived notions as upon evidence of the fossil. Furthermore, since the meagre collection has accumulated so slowly, the long gaps between discoveries have provided ample time for investigators to form very definate notions of what ought to be found next. 'Zijanthropus boisei' is a good example of this phenomenon, but ever since Darwins work inspired the notion that fossils linking modern man and extinct ancestor would provide the most convincing proof of human evolution, preconceptions have led evidence by the nose in the study of fossil man" - John Reader (Author of Missing Links),'Whatever happened to Zijanthropus?' - New Scientist, 1981
"A five millions-year-old piece of bone that was thought to be the collarbone of a humanlike creature is actually a part of a dolphin rib, according to an athropologist at the University of California-Berkeley.
Dr Tim White says the discovery of the blunder may force a rethink of theories about when the line of mans ancestors seperated from that of the apes. He puts the incident on a par with two other embarassing [sic] 'faux pas' by fossil hunters: Herperopithecus, the fossil pigs tooth that was cited as evidence of very early man in North America, and Eoanthropus or 'Piltdown man', the jaw of an orangutan and the skull of a modern human that were claimed to be the earliest Englishmen...
The problem with alot of anthropologists is that they want so much to find a hominid that any scrap of bone becomes a hominid bone" - Dr Time White, University of California). Quoted by Ian Anderson 'Hominoid collarbone exposed as dolphins rib' - New Scientist 28 April 1983 p199
"Not being a paleontologist, I dont want to pour too much scorn on paleontologists, but if you were to spend your life picking up bones and finding little fragments of head, and little fragments of jaw, theres a strong desire there to exaggerate the importance of those fragments - Dr Greg Kirby, Senior Lecturer in Population Biology, Flinders University, Adelaide).
Human Evolution | Answers in Genesis
The Origin of Humans | Answers in Genesis

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almeyda
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Message 269 of 301 (113561)
06-08-2004 9:02 AM


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It appears that at least on biologist did say that the fossil specimens would fit in a coffin.
Of course, in the last 20 years this has changed. I think but can't prove that it wasn't true in 1982. It certainly isn't now. There are many 10's of specimens. Some of course are easy to cram in since they may be only a tooth, others are skeletons that are much more than half complete.
What has changed Nosyned? What has advanced since the 80s or 70s. Are you saying theres been missing link finds since then?. The fossils are still fossils . The anthroplogists/evolutionists of then were super smart evolutionists, just like today. Please, update me.

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