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IamJoseph
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Message 832 of 1075 (624610)
07-19-2011 4:06 AM


There are no human apes today because ToE is bogus. The glitch of Darwinian evolution, or what became ToE is thus:

Evolution claims to be an 'on-going' process. An on-going process is not impacted by the time factor. If an ape evolved to a human 1 B years ago, this process does not cease: it occured one second after a Billion years, continuously, including last friday. The math destroys evolution.


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IamJoseph
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Message 835 of 1075 (624615)
07-19-2011 4:25 AM
Reply to: Message 833 by Larni
07-19-2011 4:14 AM


quote:
This makes no sense and shows a convincing lack of understanding of ToE.

'An ape' would not evolve into a human. The accurate statement is that over the course of millions of years a population of non-human primates evolved over successive generation into humans because of geographic isolation and changed selection pressures.

You are confusing one organism 'an ape' morphing in it's own life time into a modern human, with a population over millions of years.
You do know that is not evolution, don't you?


Nothing wrong with my knowledge of evolution or my math. The indirect and accumulated branching effects, or the millions of years, have no impact here. It does not change the premise of ON-GOING.

The situation does not appear a slight of hand casino science just with apes and humans; it is seen as pervasive - all life forms contradict ToE. The evidence of similar skelatal structures hides the billions of similarities of structures in species which have no relationship to each other. It is the seed factor which causes an offspring to emulate its host - regardless of evolution. Prove evlution without the seed output!?

Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.


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IamJoseph
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Message 836 of 1075 (624617)
07-19-2011 4:28 AM
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07-19-2011 4:18 AM


quote:
Is this a view of the universe with all of time being created at the creation point that you're describing?

And if the maths destroys evolution, could you show us the workings in detail? You could wait until last Friday to show us if you want to.


You may use whichever time premise you like. The Math still prevails.


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Message 839 of 1075 (624621)
07-19-2011 4:41 AM
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07-19-2011 4:32 AM


Dimensions do not impact here - these are still post universe factors.

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Message 840 of 1075 (624622)
07-19-2011 4:45 AM
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07-19-2011 4:30 AM


quote:

Can you clarify that you do not believe that 'an ape' morphed into a modern human over one generation?
I have no idea what seed output is: you will need to elaborate on that point or point me in the direction of it's meaning.


Why do I have clairfy what was never seen?

How come you are confused of a seed factor: this is an output transmitted from the host parents, which becomes the offspring. I ask instead you prove your ape offspring w/o the seed output of the host parents - this is the yard stick which requires to be proven?


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Message 842 of 1075 (624624)
07-19-2011 5:08 AM
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07-19-2011 5:03 AM


quote:
This doesn't mean anything.

Then deal with it. Unless evolution says every billion years a human evolves from another species, then the process goes into freeze.


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IamJoseph
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Message 850 of 1075 (624645)
07-19-2011 8:33 AM
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07-19-2011 8:20 AM


quote:
Dr Adequate indicated that he could't make sense of what you said, and a more helpful response than this would nice:

IamJoseph writes:
Then deal with it. Unless evolution says every billion years a human evolves from another species, then the process goes into freeze.


Sometimes I cannot read my own hand writings. But this one is less confusing.

I stated that it is the premise of a declared 'on-going process' which KO's ToE, or if you like, why we do not see apes becoming humans. Everyone here rejected my premise - none said why.

If lets say an ape or any other life forms, via any means of twistings and branchings, becomes a human - say 1B years ago. Then we can say this happened long ago and we have to wait another Billion to witness this great event.

But this cannot apply if the process is on-going, namely continuos, because the action would continue without pause. The time factor does not apply. The process which took 1B years, would be seen 1B years plus 1 second thereafter. Because 1 second after the first ape changes 1 bilion years ago, the process would be on-going.

Imagine if blue marbles turned red every 10 years, as an on-going process. Would we have to wait 10 years apart for marbles to turn from blue to red? Negative! This factor is not negated if the marble changes via branches and sub-branches, because the entire process is generic to every marble.

Its a question of math.


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Message 854 of 1075 (624660)
07-19-2011 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 853 by Larni
07-19-2011 8:59 AM


I never asked you to prove your offspring. I did say an offspring is the result of a host seed output, not the environment.

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Message 856 of 1075 (624666)
07-19-2011 9:29 AM
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07-19-2011 9:19 AM


How is it even possible to misunderstand such a basic post. Grammar requires one must take the most plausible route, not the most ubsurd.

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Message 857 of 1075 (624667)
07-19-2011 9:30 AM


Has no one yet reflected on the math, the time factor does not apply in an on-going process!?

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Message 946 of 1075 (625540)
07-23-2011 9:09 PM


Why are there no human apes alive today?

Err, how about because there weren't any yesterday?


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