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M82A1
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Message 1 of 28 (74950)
12-23-2003 9:06 PM


What I want to know is, how many Creationists here (That don't believe in Evolution) believe in the Caveman?

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Prozacman
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Message 2 of 28 (76820)
01-06-2004 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by M82A1
12-23-2003 9:06 PM


Are you referring to Neanderthals? If you are, then the evidence for their former existence is prolific.

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Rei
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Message 3 of 28 (76826)
01-06-2004 1:50 PM
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12-23-2003 9:06 PM


The Caveman? Like this?

Cave-Men scare me.


"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

(blah, sites that don't allow linking... fixed.)

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Message 4 of 28 (76865)
01-06-2004 4:50 PM
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quote:
The Caveman? Like this?

Cave-Men scare me.



--I'm afraid that I don't believe in invisible cavemen. I challenge prozacman to substantiate his ludicrous claim that there is evidence that suggests otherwise! Muahahahaha

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Abshalom
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Message 5 of 28 (76886)
01-06-2004 6:04 PM
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01-06-2004 4:50 PM


As Long As You're Posting Pics ...
How about posting Daryll Hannah in "Clan of the Cave Bear" and Ringo Starr in "I Was a Teenage Caveman."

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M82A1
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Message 6 of 28 (76922)
01-06-2004 9:19 PM


Okay, maybe I should have re-phrased the question... "How many Creastionists here believe that we are direct descendants the caveman?"

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Abshalom
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Message 7 of 28 (76973)
01-07-2004 10:26 AM
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01-06-2004 9:19 PM


A Descendant of Steppeman
M82A1:

While I believe that a great number of humans currently living in the Northern Hemisphere are direct descendants of Old Europe Cromagnon who either regularly lived in or frequented caves for other reasons related to cave art, tribal rituals, and burial.

I believe that I am descended from Turkic and Slavic stock that more likely lived on the open, Eurasian steppe. However, there still remains the distinct possibility that some of my paleolithic ancestors frequently resorted to cave dwelling when they resided in regions like Afghanistan, the Caucasus, and the Urals.

Now when you speak of "Creationists," are you only asking for responses from Judeo-Christian creationists, or are you soliciting comments from folks who hold to the creation myths of other religions and belief structures (Hindu, Voodoo, Native American, Wiccan, Druidic, Satanism, Zoroasterism, Australian Aboriginie, New Age, Egyptian mythology, etc.)? Personally, I would like to hear from a wide variety of descendants of cave dwellers; and particularly from any who have firsthand knowledge of or experiences with secular or religious rituals that are based on or perpetuate our common ancestral use of caves.


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Mophead
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Message 8 of 28 (141540)
09-11-2004 11:29 AM
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01-07-2004 10:26 AM


Re: A Descendant of Steppeman
Is that a way of saying 'everybody answer'?

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if we lived in caves, I'm sure people still do. It's a handy home. If you're talking neanderthals, then I am unsure. I have heard that evolutionists say that 'modern' man lived with neanderthals at the same time, but how different were they exactly?


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Message 9 of 28 (141602)
09-11-2004 3:48 PM
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09-11-2004 11:29 AM


Different
I have heard that evolutionists say that 'modern' man lived with neanderthals at the same time, but how different were they exactly?

They did live at the same time. There were some 10,000's of years of overlap.

There is an ongoing argument as to whether Neanderthal was a separate species of Homo or a subspieces of H. sapien. They are notably different from us however. There are specific structural things different about them and now, with some controversy, we are getting some measure of their genetic differences.

Comparisons of Neandertal mtDNA with modern humans and modern chimpanzees
contains some discussion about the genetics. There is some controversy.


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Robert Byers
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Message 10 of 28 (142368)
09-14-2004 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by M82A1
01-06-2004 9:19 PM


I am a creationist. We are not anymore descendents to cave men then descendents of log cahin men. Caves were just a very momentary place for a few people when people first moved into an area.
However because caves will retain the evidence of ancient livers so in the 19th century it was thought the caves were a real envirorment for people. In short poor sampling. Our ancesters are explained in Genesis by familys and races and wre civilized people from the Ark.
Cave men was a silly idea from the beginning
Rob

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Loudmouth
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Message 11 of 28 (142377)
09-14-2004 3:59 PM
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09-14-2004 3:26 PM


quote:
However because caves will retain the evidence of ancient livers so in the 19th century it was thought the caves were a real envirorment for people.

These caves show evidence of continual use including deep ash beds from fires, communal toilets, and midden heaps (trash heaps). They also painted the walls. By definition, they were cave men because they lived in caves. They even painted the walls. What we don't see during this time is multi-storied buildings, townships, or organized furniture. This is strikingly absent for a supposed cultured civilization.


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Buzsaw
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Message 12 of 28 (142462)
09-14-2004 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by M82A1
12-23-2003 9:06 PM


What I want to know is, how many Creationists here (That don't believe in Evolution) believe in the Caveman?

Desclaimer: I don't want to get involved with another thread right now, but I would like to post an opinion here. Don't bug me if I don't get back to responses as I'm very busy right now. I may or may not get back for response.

My opinion based on the Biblical record is that from the getgo, man was intelligent enough to build, fabricate, mine, sculpture, farm, garden, melt, mold and work metals, etc.

I believe the nearest people generally known as primitive cavemen over the centuries have been those who've become ingnorant, pagan and depraved spiritually and morally, having departed from truth and light from their maker. According to the Bible, we all came from one of three forbears, i.e. the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, all of whom were skilfull, civilized and enlightened. Having said that, I might add that some civilized and good people have likely dwelt in caves. Those in the path of Ivan might be having thoughts of becoming cave dwellers. The prophets say things will get so bad in the world before Jesus returns that in the time of God's wrath, people will move into dens and caves to avoid the wrath of the Almighty which is prophesied to come and imo, is at the planet's door as we speak. The folks in the gulf area are beginning to experience some of it, as well as others around the world in so many rapid fire disasters.


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Loudmouth
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Message 13 of 28 (142525)
09-15-2004 12:28 PM
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09-14-2004 10:05 PM


quote:
My opinion based on the Biblical record is that from the getgo, man was intelligent enough to build, fabricate, mine, sculpture, farm, garden, melt, mold and work metals, etc.

My opinion, based on archaeology, is that there were not sophisticated civilizations, including those things mentioned, dating to the same time as the cavemen in question. Most opinions are that man WAS smart enough to do these things at this time in history. However, technology has to build up over time. The "standing on giants" sort of thing. For instance, man 300 years ago was smart enough to fly to the moon but society lacked the technology to make it so. Archimedes, if memory serves, discovered calculus 1400 years before Newton but his work was lost in the Dark Ages. Imagine how much farther along we would be if his work was not lost.

The challenge is simple. Find a human settlement that is sophisticated in it's pottery, art, buildings, and religion and dates back to 30,000+ years. If you are able to do this it will upset the archaeological apple cart. The argument for humans being less sophisticated is because of the evidence, not an attempt to falsify the Bible. Therefore, you can refute the argument by offering counter-evidence. I am very open to any evidence you might present. I think this could be a very civil argument if you are interested.


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Message 14 of 28 (142526)
09-15-2004 12:46 PM
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09-14-2004 10:05 PM


I believe the nearest people generally known as primitive cavemen over the centuries have been those who've become ingnorant, pagan and depraved spiritually and morally, having departed from truth and light from their maker.

This raises the question of why those who have become pagan and depraved spiritually and morally (by your standards) in this day and age don't suddenly lose the ability to use a can opener.

I mean... crimney, Lakeview'd be like the opening scene of 2001.


"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

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jar
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Message 15 of 28 (142602)
09-15-2004 7:25 PM
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09-15-2004 12:28 PM


Archimedes, if memory serves, discovered calculus 1400 years before Newton but his work was lost in the Dark Ages.

Not so much lost as scraped away and overwritten by the Church.

I was lucky enough to have seen the Palimpsest when it was on display at the Walter's (one of my regular haunts from the time I was 6 or so) back in 1999 IIRC.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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