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MarkAustin
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Message 3 of 109 (96000)
03-30-2004 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by i4c
03-28-2004 1:36 AM


It has today been demonstrated that there is no charactaristic shared by any group of individuals which is diagnostic of that group.
Further, Darwin, although enlightened for that time - he was an opponent of both slavery and vivisection, and opposed rhe social darwinism that others read into his theories for example - would by today's standard be considered a reactionary. Things pass and things change.
In any case, the opinions of Darwin are irrelevant. What is important is his theory.

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MarkAustin
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Message 13 of 109 (96241)
03-31-2004 3:57 AM
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03-30-2004 7:37 PM


In his writings Darwin consistently opposed slavery. Here are some selections. One quote will give the flavour of the whole:
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Fitz-Roy's temper was a most unfortunate one. ...We had several quarrels; for when out of temper he was utterly unreasonable. For instance, early in the voyage at Bahia in Brazil he defended and praised slavery, which I abominated, and told me that he had just visited a great slave-owner, who had called up many of his slaves and asked them whether they were happy, and whether they wished to be free, and all answered "No." I then asked him, perhaps with a sneer, whether he thought that the answers of slaves in the presence of their master was worth anything. This made him excessively angry, and he said that as I doubted his word, we could not live any longer together. I thought that I should have been compelled to leave the ship; but as soon as the news spread, which it did quickly, as the captain sent for the first lieutenant to assuage his anger by abusing me, I was deeply gratified by receiving an invitation from all the gun-room officers to mess with them. But after a few hours Fitz-Roy showed his usual magnanimity by sending an officer to me with an apology and a request that I would continue to live with him." -- Charles Darwin, Autobiography of Charles Darwin 1809-1882 (restored edition)(1958), Nora Barlow editor, pp. 73- 74
Fitz-Roy was the Captain of the Beagle. Darwin nearly got himself thrown off the ship because of his opposition to slavery.
Yes, he almost certainly believed in a hierarchy of human "races" with the white population on the top. That was the general belief of the day: held by virtually all scientists and philosophers

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