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Author Topic:   Smoking-Gun Evidence of Man-Monkey Kindred: Episode II... Tails
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Message 121 of 127 (279315)
01-15-2006 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Trixie
01-15-2006 10:36 PM


Re: You haven't given one
Noted, arach, but the information is scant and gives no great detail about what sort of pathological malformations are being talked about. The source of the statistics isn't given either, the numbers are just presented in a quote from someone else.
it also commits a great number of scientific fallacies and is obviously a creationst misinformation platform, aside from being a personal page on angelfire.
but nonetheless, that's the argument. i never said it was a GOOD one.

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Message 122 of 127 (279316)
01-15-2006 10:40 PM
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01-15-2006 10:35 PM


Gish asked if males are closer to monkey like ancestors than females.
If Gish isn't just posturing for his uneducated audience, this shows he's even a bigger moron than I thought. Wow. Has the man truly never heard of sex-linked traits?

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Message 123 of 127 (279326)
01-15-2006 10:58 PM


I don't think Gish was as persuasive as the other gentleman but here is a portion of what Gish said:
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Rijsbosch also notes that M. Bartels3 had collected 116 reports of "tail" formation in humans. In cases where the sex was reported, 52 were males and 16 were females. If the caudal appendage represents a back mutation to an ancestral state, the human male must thus be somewhat closer to his monkey ancestor than the female since the condition occurs three times more frequently in males than in females!
Warkany reports that while most persons with caudal appendages showed normal general development, caudal appendages have been associated with such malformations as meningocele, spina bifida, chondrodystophy, cleft palate, hemangiomas, syndactyly, hypodactyly and heterotopic anus.4 Can evolutionists identify ancestral states with any of these malformations?
If malformations may possibly be due to the expression of genes inherited from distant ancestors but long suppressed, one can think of interesting suggestions. For example, some human females are born with mammary glands under the armpits. Some bats normally have their mammary glands in that region. Does that mean that human females are carrying long-suppressed genes for mammary glands under the armpits and we humans have a bat in our ancestry? Some human females are born with mammary glands in the groin region. Mammary glands normally occur in the groin region of some whales. Does that mean that human females still possess genes for mammary glands in the groin region that have been inherited from a whale ancestor? Mammary glands, as a matter of fact, have developed in humans in many places, including the back, arms, and legs. How can evolutionary theory help us explain that?
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Message 124 of 127 (279333)
01-15-2006 11:08 PM
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01-15-2006 10:58 PM


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    Message 125 of 127 (279367)
    01-16-2006 3:07 AM
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    01-15-2006 10:58 PM


    Those arguments show a really faulty grasp of comparative anatomy and evolutionary theory.
    Look at the picture fficial%26sa%3DN]-->here showing the organisation of the mammary glands on mice. You will see that they have mammary glands in both the 'armpits' and the groin.
    Th obvious conclusion then is that a common ancestor of all these species, i.e. bat, whale, human and mouse, had mammary glands distributed right along their body axis between and around the forelimbs and hindlimbs as the mouse does and that in the case of the bat, human and whale specific sets of mammary glands have been lost leaving each with a subset of mammary glands all of which however occupy positions represented by the mammary glands of the mouse as being more representative of the common ancestor.
    So human females may well carry no longer functional sequences coding for mammamry gland development in the armpits or groin region, not because they are descended from whales or bats but because they are all descended from a common mammalian ancestor which, like the mouse, had mammary glands in all of these places.
    TTFN,
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    Message 126 of 127 (279558)
    01-16-2006 8:17 PM
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    01-16-2006 3:07 AM


    So human females may well carry no longer functional sequences coding for mammamry gland development in the armpits ...
    So that's why armpits are sexy ...

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