Falsification of Biblical Creation

Most religions have a creation myth: where the planet and it's inhabitants came from. We can call this Creationism. Some of these implie an individual creator of some kind. The idea that there was some act of creation by a divine entity is now taken by some to be the truth and promogulate this idea in the form of religion.I would like to explore the notion that apart from the 'evidence' of religious texts there is little if any compelling reason to conclude a divine creator should be implicated in earths' history and as such little reason to indulge in Creationism.Can anyone propose a way to falsify the theory that the world was purposefully created. What test could we use to examine whether the planet we live on was created or formed without guidance?I would like this in the science forums but accept that for a wider audience a non-science forum my be a better choice.This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 03-17-2006 09:47 AM

There is no way to test for a 'creator' in the wide sense of the word.However, (although the YEC's will disagree), it is possible to show that the concept that the world is 12,000 years old or less is invalid. The fact there are more layers of sediment in rock than that should be one measure. The age of the rocks, as determined by radiometric dating is another. The layers in the antartic ice cap that show many more thousands of years of ice is yet another. So, while creation can not be ruled out, the literal creation as described in the bible, being interpreted as occuring less than 12,000 years ago has been falsified.

I don't think you're going to find a way to disprove divine creation. There's simply no way to exhaust it as a possibility.However, not being able to disprove magic doesn't mean that it exists or plays any role in the universe. Generally, with no compelling reason to believe in something, we should suspend belief. Just because we can't disprove "15 second ago creation - with memories in tact - by the hungry hungry hippos riding on a flying dorito of gold" doesn't mean that it's anything short of ridiculous.

I was kind of thinking about any positive evidence that a divine creators existance.

Do any of the YECs have a candidate for evidence of divine creation?

If the stars rearranged themselves and spelled out JESUS SAVES, that would pretty much do it.

Take a look at this recent thread (now closed). It would appear that many people feel that the factuality of the theory of evolution would disprove the existence of a divine creator.

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Thanks Batfink, don't know how I missed that doozy!
Will have a read of it at lunch.

I will point out that hte ones that say that are usually biblical literalists that don't accept evolution. (or atheists).Personally,I think that the only thing that might be ruled out is biblical literalism

Your thread title is " Falsification of Biblical Creation" but in the body of your OP you ask: These are two entirely different things. The idea of Biblical Creation usually refers to a specific set of beliefs, that man is a special creation, that GOD created kinds and those kinds, whatever that means, were each a special individual creation, that all this happened over a specific period. There is yet another subset of the Biblical Creationist that is usually called the Young Earth Creationist that believes that the earth and universe is only 6-10,000 years old.Well, both of those theories have been falsified, and not that recently. First the evidence of Geology refuted the idea of a young earth, and then the evidence from Evolutionary studies falsified the special creation idea. They are already falsified, done, dead, non-issues within reality, only issues within the minds of those who either are unaware of or wilfully igore the overwhelming evidences gathered over the last 300 years or so.There is one other set of folk though and that is the theistic evolutionists. They too are Creationists, I happen to believe that GOD is the creator. But that is a personal belief, not a statement of fact. I believe what we discover in evolution, geology, cosmology, physics, biology, astronomy, chemistry is simply the HOWs of what GOD did.To disprove that position one must disprove GOD. But there is a problem with that.If GOD exists, then GOD exists regardless of any evidence that She does not exist.If GOD does not exist, then GOD does not exist regardless of any evidence that It does exist.A belief in GOD is simply a belief. GOD's existence or non-existence is not dependant on any belief.GOD either is, or is not.

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I take your point that there is a difference in meaning after re-reading my OP.I guess I was trying to explore why people believe at all. Where does it come from?At what point do we think to our selves "If I had never been exposed to a culture of theism, would I be a theist?" I'm looking for any answere other than "I believe...." and a guess thats just not possible.I think maybe I have asked the wrong question, becoming discombobulated in a literal sense.

considering that you have to learn about god, yes you would have to be exposed to a culture of thiesm, unless someone can truely point to anyone born with belief in god,more than likely if you have never been exposed you wouldn't be one, well at least one of the big three, you might if you were ignorent of the world come up with something like a god

Apparently not "many people."Just a few.This message has been edited by robinrohan, 03-22-2006 07:12 AM

A few, many.. quantifications are so vague.The important thing is that some people do, and most of those people are
creationists that do not understand science.I think, deep down, that main objection is not that it 'disproves' a creator, but comes up with a way that a 'creator' is not needed.'

Most are creationists, but not quite all.

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