Quote: “The only reasonable end in man’s unreasonable existence is god. You ask me do I believe in god? I believe he is dead.”
You completely lost me. Who asked if you believe in god? If you are saying that the end of man’s existence will be the ”grave’ along with god (if that is what you think) then I’m sorry.
Depression doesnt begin to describe the state I was in when I wrote the post. Despair would be better. To clarify, by saying god is the only reasonable end to man's unreasonable existence is an aphorism that asserts that when man found his existence to be unreasonable he invented god. In the chain of causation, through our reality and concept of time, the questions that seek reason go on forever, that is undeniable, IS IT NOT? It is ironic that you twisted my words with your metonymy, no.. you might be thinking, but my schizophrenic humor thinks it quaint.
First of all, that wasnt what i was thinking. The end of most men's existence is a grave, quite literally, but the aphorism was intended to declare subtlely, and existentially, the kind of hubris present on this site and through history is the kind of nonsense that metamorphosis into sense and then myth and that becomes fact and then turns into a belief and then a religion. The depression i feel when i look around is undeniable.. einstein said We cannot despair of humanity, since we ourselves are human beings. Though i know the despair is selfrighteous it is also based. The despair i feel towards the human condition is attributed partly to the war of faith that insues all over the world, every organized religion is founded upon simliar concepts yet not a one can claim truthfully to be tolerant, inside them all is some form of bigotry. In my eyes at this present moment, religions are failed sciences that attempted to methodize life and the experiences therein that are our only evidence of input. But im off topic again.
For you to claim that i believe man's fate is in the grave i frown that we are so misunderstood.
"If you are saying that the end of man’s existence will be the ”grave’ along with god"
To reveal the irony, man is digging and constructing his own grave, in his seeking nothingness(now take a second and realize the fatal error of most belief systems, their fatalism, even you yourself suffer from the sort of fatalism.."Many of our species, particularly some scientists, may believe they have the power of God. I think they are premature. We have a long way to go. Right now we are merely children of God. Evolution is far from complete. " far from complete.. this is the problem with IT all, the god presumption, yes we are evolving, yes we have an objective and subjective reasoning that is evolving, but all of the theologists see this evolution with a conclusion.. a level of existence that is pure energy(complete) and like jesus we will have the powers of god..these irrationalities form the wood and shovel that dig and construct the grave made by man for man that wont be of any use to the last man, who wont have anyone to place him within the eloquent grave, that houses man's eloquent body, in an eloquent way.
Basically, to weigh my opinion for what it is worth, nothing is written in stone, mankind can overcome, can prevail, and like we have in the past.. survive, but we cannot reach a level of existence where we no longer exist or where the many are one and the heaven is eternal, sorry you'll always come down rough off of your ecstasy trip(every action has an equal and opposite reaction)-that's newton, read the paper you'll clearly see some people choose hell and are 'happy'(modern man's absolute value), alongside lucifer, we are slowly growing away from self-centered ideals, as god is replaced with reason, the very reason god came onto the scene was because we lacked it.
So to Tom, ill offer some cogency, and a quote from a wise son of a bitch, "Worship the sun, because you can see it."-george carlin.
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"we no longer need to evolve as we just "invent" or make what we need" evolution hasnt always been productive, species go extinct, we are a species, we have created god in the image of ourselves, not the other way around, and i asked myself about what he would think about our opinions, the "opinions" you so lightly refer to are beliefs that have meant death as a reaction to the desire to hold onto those beliefs, or defend those beliefs. Noble, indeed, but stupid. Picture our species, dissected by a future "intelligent form of life" and think what they might say about the way we have been living for millenia.. "granted" the gift of reason, we cannot see the ability of our kin to reason, we accept as absolute our notions while trying to destroy the notions of our brothers. Billions believe that christ will walk the earth again and that he will take us away from this world into another.. They also prey upon the innocent and suffering to convert to their cause.. They find people who are willing to be raped for food, and slip the shaft of the cross in slow.. while if you turn the globe the arabs are suiciding for virgins, so convinced in the power of death that they'll end their life for the chance to devirginize a young woman. A common belief among these two groups is that life is a preparation for death.. the religions are living to die, these religions have existed for a long while.. now man has already noticeably evolved through our increased breeding into a homosapian with a much smaller frame, because like it has been said, we evolve towards what we need, with the comforts of this godgranted kingdom we dont need a strong frame to survive, genetics happens and it shrinks. My 'depressed' picture of man is a lifeform that has found intelligence.. reason.. and has harnessed it and while it harnessed it, it has conquered this planet, to fallback on a axiom, "power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely," so man is now granting himself absolute power as he creates a science for experience. If god has absolute power, and we seek god, to be in his image, to do as he has deemed right, then we are seeking power, and in seeking it we seek corruption. Now amorally, the christians are no better then the muslims, i open my arms for your response on my half coherent rantings.
"So every thinking person who is living, and those who are not, can decide if God exists; never existed; is alive or dead. But consider this: would God give a damn what we think? If God is the Intelligent Designer of the universe, do you think for one moment the opinions of little men and women will have any bearing on evolution of the universe? Come on!"
I dont, but many do, why else would they hold onto their beliefs? They think them necessary for survival. How can our opinions and beliefs.. that you have belittled... quite obnoxciously.. NOT have a bearing on the evolution of.. wait the universe? now what the fuck are you talking about? Back to that omnipotent existence of man.. NO it wont have any bearing on the evolutino of the universe.. jackass.. but it will definantly have a bearing on the survival or extinction of our species.. on the future evolution of our speices.. how can it not.. answer me that.. how can it not? You make those opinions out to be inconsequential.. well they are what we do now.. they are evolving, and we are evolving with them, because of them, alongside them, as a result of them? what does it matter?.. the universe is evolving.. SEPERATELY
On a more serious note.. i apologize to Tom for misguided feelings of despair.. also, i would like to restate the purpose of the original post and why i was so awe strucken into talking on a forum(something i havent done before), this particular topic, shows the small scale evolution of wonder gone wry, rationally posed questions with no rational answer, because rationale is a human characteristic. The posts on the page, over a 3 year period began as logical, then became more and more conjested and will continue to do so(my prediction), many questions were answered, and thoughts confirmed or expanded.. but the point is.. there is no point.. absolutely no point to a circle, look for one.. bet you cant find it, rape me.
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