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Phat Member  Posts: 12025 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain
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ringo Member  Posts: 16118 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
You're taking the blame for everything bad that happens, aren't you?
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Phat Member Posts: 12025 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
No, but I play a part. Whether humans have "original" or inborn tendencies to "sin" or not, we are in fact responsible for our actions and reactions. If Jesus does in fact absolve us of our sins, it does not mean that we are passive observers. You may assert that lacking evidence of Jesus role in the process God becomes spiritually impotent --a valid argument for an atheist/agnostic, I suppose. The bottom line, however, is that we become the decisions that we make. To be fair, I dont take all of the responsibility for anything bad that happens in my life nor do I take all of the credit for the good that is produced. Lets call it a communion. For me, it is between God and willing humanity. For you, it may simply be a communion among humanity. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 12025 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)
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Tangle Member  Posts: 6604 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Can't say that I have. But also I have no idea what being crushed is and what it's got to do with this god thing. Why would god allow someone to be 'crushed?' Edited by Tangle, : No reason given. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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jar Member  Posts: 30934 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Fuggitaboutit, it's none of your business.
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ringo Member Posts: 16118 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Doesn't it? Where's the "communion" if we make our own decisions and Jesus/God decides to forgive us? Seems like two separate processes to me. An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 12025 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
Faith Forum: Why does God let us make bad decisions? Of course, the way that I learned was that God took the sins of the world upon Himself so as to absolve us of the consequences...which were out of hand from the beginning. You seem to have concluded that there is no evidence that a God exists, then commenting on the nature and character of the God whom humans market---insisting that the book (should)be taken seriously in order to indict the God within its pages. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)
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ringo Member Posts: 16118 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
As I keep telling you, I see no evidence of a "communion". If God was important, why wouldn't there be some improvement in the people who think He's important?
Characters like Jesus don't even exist outside its pages. Why cherry-pick what you like and ignore what you don't? An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 12025 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
I'm not saying we are any closer to the truth, but no further from it either.\ Go ahead...give Him your best shot. Invent/describe a God Who created all seen and unseen, chooses to basically leave us alone and let us "grow up", and is not directly responsible for evil.
Remember, evidence cannot count in these cases since the character that we are seeking is for all practical purposes invisible. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)
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jar Member Posts: 30934 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Why. Why give God a free pass? Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
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Tangle Member Posts: 6604 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Eh? Cobblers. God exists or doesn't exist regardless of a human consensus or otherwise.
This is just religious gobbledegook. I never understand any of this in-house jargon and I suspect no-one does - you just get used to spouting it. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tangle Member Posts: 6604 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
My apologies, I've changed the post. Why does it happen? Probably because I'd just replied to a post you made and still have you in my head. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ringo Member Posts: 16118 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
What consensus? That's the problem with making it up to suit yourself. No two people have the same interpretation.
How is that possible? Isn't evil part of "all seen and unseen"?
Not in reality.
Evidence always counts. But you're missing the point. You believe in Jesus but the only place Jesus exists is in the Book. You choose to believe that part of the Book, but you throw away the parts you don't like. On what basis do you believe in the Jesus of the Bible but not the God of the Bible? An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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