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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Re: high speed sun
Yeah not religious.
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He also argues from the Bible that it is the earth that is absolutely stable at the relative center of the universe. He writes for the Biblical Astronomer and for the Creation Research Society. Dr. Gerardus D. Bouw also accepts the King James Bible as the inspired word of God for the English-speaking people.
Gerardus Bouw His Testimony is a hoot. He may have a doctorate in Astronomy but he has never worked in the field. He has been a computer science professor since 1977. I guess that expalins why his ideas are out of date.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Re: high speed sun
Bouw can have any religious ideas for all I care. This has absolutly no impact on me. You are using him to support your arguments. Where he gets his arguments is very relevant to the debate if you are using him as a source. He obviously is deriving evidence to support his beliefs of a geocentric universe and the infallibility of the bible. That is not how science works.
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Theodoric
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Re: high speed sun
Please provide the original source.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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So you post a GIf file with no attribution and we are to accept it without any questions. Unless you can show this is from Bouwe, then it means nothing. It might as well as be a Kenyan birth certificate. Also, this little snippet does not provide any evidence for a geocentric model. All it does is provide evidence that it is possible. This is a classic ID and creationist error. Anything is possible, but is it probable. That the sun will rise in the west tomorrow morning is possible, but it is not probable.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Re: high speed sun
Actualy saying that possible is probable equals it happened, is an evolutionist tactic in which abiogenesis is supposed to be proven true. Where does the Theory of Evolution say anything about abiogenisis?
It shows that geocentrism is as probable as heliocentrism, No the writings of the people he mentions say nothing about the probability. As a matter of fact I do not think any of them were Geocentrists. I would love to hear some evidence that they were. Please show where any of these people advocated for a geocentric view of the world. Also, it would be nice to know what their standing in the scientific community is. It seems Bouwe has taken there research and modified it to show evidence for his preconceived beliefs. Can you show that these people were advocating geocentrism? Just because Bouwe says it doesnt make it true. I cannot find anything on them where they advocate geocentrism. Again it does not show that geocentrism is as probable as heliocentrism, it merely shows that geocentrism is possible. Edited by Theodoric, : spelling
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Re: high speed sun
It doesn't, but 99% of evolutionists accept abiogenesis, and that's how they argue for it. Back it up with evidence. Bare assertions are not acceptable.
{The above is off-topic. This is not an "origin of life" or "biological evolution" topic. - Adminnemooseus} They are not geocentrists, but they have shown that geocentric math works. So you accept a radical christianist creationist's word at face value? Do you understand the math? Does not the fact that he had a preconceived idea and manipulated data to make it work bother you at all? Why don't you just accept the conclusions of the people that originally created the data? They all conclude that geocentrism is not valid. Why is Bouwe so much more credibale than they? Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Red "off-topic" message.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Re: high speed sun
Please stop misrepresenting what I said. The context of the discussion clearly showed I meant your assertion of how they argued. Not the subject of abiogenesis itself. But as you can see we have been warned this is off topic.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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The force of the rotating shell is keeping it in place. What is the shell made of? What is on the other side of the shell?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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So you do not know what is made of? Do you know what it looks like? How far it is from earth? Are there any plans to determine what it is made of? What is on other side? There is another side isn't there? Or is it some sort of thick solid thingee?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Mars??
Perdition made a qreat point on the other thread.
Message 26 The fact that it would look that way to someone standing on any of the other planets, and in fact, it does look exactly that way to the rovers on Mars, would suggest that the way things look are often not the way they really are. How do you explain that we see the same thing on Mars. We have actual evidence form another planet that shows the sun acting like it does on earth. Does the sun revolve around Mars too? How can we get the same thing on Mars if both Mars and the Sun revolve around the earth?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Ok I am now a little confused.
We weren't there, so we don't know. Weren't where? Weren't where when? I would appreciate it if you could answer with at least a little bit of evidence or thought.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Re: Turtles and Duct Tape
This is not their paper. This is Bouws interpretation of their paper. Have you read their paper? Do you understand what they are trying to say in their paper? Can you explain what they determmined in their paper? How about one other source that comes to this conclusion besides Bouw?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Answer the question. These one sentence answers are irritating. Justs prove you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Don't play stupid. Do you mean we weren't there physically or not there temporally? And what do you mean by not there? Not there at a creation?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Re: Turtles and Duct Tape
Have you read their paper? Do you understand what they are trying to say in their paper? Can you explain what they determined in their paper? How about one other source that comes to this conclusion besides Bouw? Answer the question.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Re: Mars??
Doesnt work
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