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Author Topic:   God exists as per the Kalam Cosmological Argument (KCA)
Coyote
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Message 4 of 308 (517291)
07-30-2009 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RevCrossHugger
07-30-2009 7:28 PM


You posit:
Anything that begins to exist has a cause for its existence
This is supposed to prove your deity exists, eh?
And the "cause for existence" for your particular deity is...?
Is it turtles all the way down and designers all the way up, or what?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Coyote
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Message 32 of 308 (517385)
07-31-2009 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by RevCrossHugger
07-31-2009 8:28 AM


Re: The turtle stops here> God <
Additionally to your turtle remark. God or the cause for the universe to begin to exist had no cause so the turtle stops with god saving us from the 'paradox' or problem of infinite regression.
You are peddling religious belief, not science.
You are mandating a beginning for everything, but not your chosen deity--that's the one exception. And for that you have no evidence.
Sorry, that's religious apologetics. And it is not a proof of anything.
(I prefer turtles myself. Its a better story.)

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 41 of 308 (517398)
07-31-2009 1:52 PM
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07-31-2009 1:35 PM


Re: The Kevlar and Teflon KCA
The cause/God existed outside/before time.
This is a statement for which there is no evidence. It is, in reality, an article of faith for various religions.
Your argument is religious apologetics, nothing more.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 161 of 308 (517995)
08-03-2009 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by ICANT
08-03-2009 4:16 PM


Re: Irrational
onifre writes:
He states that real time had a beginning. In other words, the forward time dimension that we all experience began once the expasion began. That is what he means by time began.
I will agree that time as you and I know it had a beginning and it is determined by how long it takes the earth to rotate on it axis and that days are getting longer. Thus more time in a day because the earth is slowing down.
The only way this (a relationship between the beginning of time and the rotational speed of the earth) could be true is if the earth was ca. 6,000 years old and was created at the same time as the rest of the universe.
As all evidence shows the earth is much older than this, and the universe a couple of times older than that, your statement flies in the face of rationality. The rotation of the earth has absolutely nothing to do with the beginning of time.
Seriously, where do you come up with these ideas?

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Message 171 of 308 (518037)
08-03-2009 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by ICANT
08-03-2009 6:33 PM


Re: Irrational
Coyote writes:
The only way this (a relationship between the beginning of time and the rotational speed of the earth) could be true is if the earth was ca. 6,000 years old and was created at the same time as the rest of the universe.
Give the man a lollipop.
So you are trying to convince me of a 6,000 year old earth?
I have dozens of radiocarbon dates older than that. Care to explain how it is easy to get dates older than 6,000 years if the earth is only that old?
On a different thread, of course. Pick one of the ones in Dating that deals with radiocarbon and have at it! I'm all ears.

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