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Message 1 of 26 (517558)
08-01-2009 2:34 PM


When you find a post that is too good to be missed, nominate it here as one of the August, 2009, Posts of the Month (POTM).
You message subtitle should include the author's name and the topic/thread title.
Message Format:
Author: Author's Name
Forum: Forum where posted
Thread: Thread title
Message #: Number and Link to the nominated message
Nominations should include a link to the nominated article, and a short comment on why the message deserves nomination.
Note: As always, this is not a thread for debates. Posts should be limited to nomination, seconds, and acceptance statements by nominees.

Minnemooseus
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Message 2 of 26 (517559)
08-01-2009 2:40 PM


Cavediver, at "God exists as per the Kalam Cosmological Argument (KCA)"
Author: Cavediver
Forum: Theological Creationism and ID
Thread: God exists as per the Kalam Cosmological Argument (KCA)
Message #: 68
A lot of messages piling up fast, but this one seems to be one of the better.
We have yet to experience anything that "begins to exist" so to claim that all things A such that A "begins to exist", implies A "has a cause for its existence" is simply making propositions about fairies' wings.
Everything we have ever thought of as a "begins to exist" is merely a change or shifting of form, whether at the level of mineral, chemical, atomic, sub-atomic, or field. This includes the much mentioned virtual-particles/pair-creation. The only thing that "begins to exist" is our terminology for the new form.
This message has led to further questions and elaborations.
Moose

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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Message 3 of 26 (517651)
08-02-2009 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Minnemooseus
08-01-2009 2:40 PM


Re: Cavediver, at "God exists as per the Kalam Cosmological Argument (KCA)"
Wholeheartedly seconded.

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Message 4 of 26 (517712)
08-02-2009 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Minnemooseus
08-01-2009 2:40 PM


Re: Cavediver, at "God exists as per the Kalam Cosmological Argument (KCA)"
This message has led to further questions and elaborations.
Yep I'll "third" this with the proviso that Cavey's followup answer posts add as much, if not more, to the discussion.

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Message 5 of 26 (518796)
08-08-2009 10:00 AM
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Re: Cavediver, at "God exists as per the Kalam Cosmological Argument (KCA)"
Thanks guys Only just seen this, as I came over to leave a POTM for Lyx2no...

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Message 6 of 26 (518797)
08-08-2009 10:02 AM


lyx3no, at "God exists as per the Kalam Cosmological Argument (KCA)"
Author: lyx2no
Forum: Theological Creationism and ID
Thread: God exists as per the Kalam Cosmological Argument (KCA)
Message #: 302
I've been wanting to say this for days but never found quite the right way of putting it. Lyx2no shows us how it's done...

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Message 7 of 26 (518804)
08-08-2009 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by cavediver
08-08-2009 10:02 AM


Re: lyx3no, at "God exists as per the Kalam Cosmological Argument (KCA)"
Thank you, cavediver. You have truly made my day.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
- Thomas Jefferson

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Message 8 of 26 (519012)
08-10-2009 1:23 PM


greentwiga on creationist frauds
See Message 52 on Scientific vs Creationist Frauds and Hoaxes
I was curious to examine the bodies and legs. The bottom one had rather camel like bodies. the Middle on showed some changes in the legs. The top one had very dinosaurian like bodies and legs. If it had been that the real carving had skull like heads, I could have excused minor differences, knowing how hard it was to carve seals. The heads were clearly changed. As a Christian, this really burns my toast.
I applaud you for your open mind, your skepticism, and your willingness to look at the evidence and see what it shows.
Enjoy.
Edited by RAZD, : .

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Message 9 of 26 (519038)
08-10-2009 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by RAZD
08-10-2009 1:23 PM


Re: greentwiga on creationist frauds
I second the nomination.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
- Thomas Jefferson

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Message 10 of 26 (519144)
08-12-2009 1:07 AM


RAZD
...for his excellent rebuttal of the notion that gun ownership deters violence.
From here.
The problem is not the "meth-addicted juvenile" about to steal things to feed his habit - it is that the juvenile has become a meth-addict, and having guns or not having guns will not solve that problem. What it does is give gun owners a panacea to pat themselves over the head about being a good citizen able to render justice in the Great American Way rather than deal with the actual problem.
Guns don't solve problems, people solve problems.

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Message 11 of 26 (519274)
08-12-2009 9:16 PM


JonF at "Quick radiometric dating question- misused techniques"
Author: JonF
Forum: Dates and Dating
Thread: Quick radiometric dating question- misused techniques
Message #: 36
JonF goes over the methodology (including some great quoted material) of determining radiometric decay rates and half-lives. It's probably been done before, but I don't recall it being done this well.
Also a tip of the hat to LindaLou, for the message and questions that led to JonF's message.
Moose

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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Message 12 of 26 (520063)
08-19-2009 7:40 AM


This Post Flies!
Whether one agrees with the premise or not, this is one very well written thread proposal:
Author: pandion
Forum: Geology and the Great Flood
Thread: That boat don't float
--Percy

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Message 13 of 26 (520215)
08-19-2009 10:45 PM


Modulous, at "How does one distinguish faith from delusion?"
Author: Modulous
Forum: Faith and Belief
Thread: How does one distinguish faith from delusion?
Message #: 264
In a topic full of low points, this Modulous summary message strikes me as being a high point. In general, he seems to have an outstanding writing style clarity. But then, such might be a Moose delusion.
One of Percy's new forum features is that you can filter for just one members messages. This is the Modulous filter for the topic.
Moose

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Message 14 of 26 (520314)
08-20-2009 6:28 PM
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08-19-2009 10:45 PM


Re: Modulous, at "How does one distinguish faith from delusion?"
Yes seconded.
A much needed new take on the topic in question.

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Message 15 of 26 (520391)
08-21-2009 10:51 AM


Dr Adequate on the Post-Anal Gut
Author: Dr Adequate
Forum: Human Origins and Evolution
Thread: human tails and the midriff - hiccups, what are the creationist theories about them?
Message #: 47 Message 47
Dr A continues a recent run of very high quality posts; this one is a beauty. I particularly like his emphasis on the predictive power of the ToE and its ability to explain novel pieces of information. Bravo.

"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod

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