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Message 16 of 52 (518464)
08-06-2009 8:40 AM

Reply to: Message 15 by slevesque
08-06-2009 12:30 AM

ANecdotes are fun and all that but they are not evidence of anything.

Of course, the process of aging is one of them, because as you get older, you not only get uglier haha but you also become less capable, always on a downhill until you die.

This is fallacious on the face of it. Are you saying that a 3 year old has gone downhill form a newborn? How do you define downhill?

Knowing that the DNA code, if left replicating on its own, will break down and go 'downhill', it is rather 'Can natural selection effectively turn that tedency from downhill to uphill?

Evidence please and again define downhill.

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Message 24 of 52 (518542)
08-06-2009 1:58 PM

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08-06-2009 12:58 PM

Re: Back to the topic

And I do not accept arguments from majority or authority. It matters nothing to me if the mojority of scientists think otherwise. Majority opinion does not equal truth

But you accept Bouwe uncritcally?

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Historians readily acknowledge that the Copernican Revolution [i.e., the idea that 'the earth moves and turns'] spawned the bloody French and Bolshevic revolutions... set the stage for the ancient Greek dogma of evolution...led to Marxism and Communism...It is reported that Marx even acknowledged his indebtedness to Copernicus, without whom Marx believed that his ideas would not have gained much acceptance...It is thus a small step to total rejection of the Bible and the precepts of morality and law taught therein.

Gerardus Bouwe, Why Geocentricity?

It is amazing you claim not to be a christian, but you uncritically accept the writings of a man whose whole outlook on life is guided by his religion and what is said in the bible.

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Message 40 of 52 (518872)
08-09-2009 1:53 AM

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08-09-2009 1:44 AM

I was answering Coyote opriginal question as I understood it: How could the concept that nature is on a downhill path have arisen in a hypothetical world that did not have christianism. In other words, could you have this impression by looking at nature ?

You don't have any response to my post. And I have no idea what you are trying to say or ask.

Again my question to you.
Are you saying that a 3 year old has gone downhill form a newborn? How do you define downhill?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 43 of 52 (518890)
08-09-2009 9:23 AM

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08-09-2009 2:43 AM

As soon as the very first cell starts to replicate, mutations start to accumulate. And since it is an asexual reproduction, Muller's ratchet applies and so these mutations acumulate. So genetically speaking, a 3 year old DNA has gone downhill since it was born.

This is a belief? Not evidenced by any proof?

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Message 47 of 52 (518977)
08-10-2009 7:58 AM

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08-10-2009 1:32 AM

The accumulation of mutations in our cells as they replicate and we grow up is what ultimately causes us to die, the software of our cells becoems so corrupted by mutations that systems and organs start to fail, etc. etc. This process starts from the very first replication of the very first cell, not just from after 3 or 18 years of age.

I still do not see how you can make a subjective statement that a 3 year old has gone "downhill" from a newborn.

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Message 49 of 52 (519023)
08-10-2009 3:18 PM

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08-10-2009 3:08 PM

The DNA message with the acumulation of mutation, loses its meaning and so eventually becomes 'incomprehensible' for the cells as we get older.

I have an uncle that just turned 91. I do not think his DNA is incomprehensible.

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