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Originally posted by John Paul:
John Paul:
I didn't know I was supposed to. The designer is irrelevant to ID. But you would have known that had you researched the issue.
edge:
Well, you have been asked a few times that I am aware of.
John Paul:
And you still don't understand?
Well, that's why I asked.
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edge:
I have not heard a response other than "irrelevant". Is that still your answer? Not very revealing...
John Paul:
What am supposed to reveal? That ID concerns itself with the design and not the designer? That much would be obvious to those who have studied ID.
So you are not going to answer my question?
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edge:
And the designer is irrelevant to design? Hmm, sounds like a cop out to me.
John Paul:
I would most likely agree if it was called the theory of the intelligent designer. However it is the theory of intelligent design or the intelligent design theory.
So, there isn't a designer? Only a design?
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Recognizing and understanding the design are its priorities.
But don't you think that it might be important to know who the designer is and how he(?) was designed... or would that be
created?
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edge:
I am trying to discover if we were designed in the same way that the designer was designed.
John Paul:
So you already know how we were designed?
Well, I did say "if".
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That would be the first step, right? Being a scientist and all, wouldn't you want to follow a methodical approach to resolving the issue?
I would hate to see how you would build a bridge.
Yes, I would have all kinds of questions about the designer of that bridge.
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Trying to resolve two issues when the conclusion of one most likely would influence the conclusion of the other? Please, spare me.
Yes, if the designers bridges had all failed, it might influence the outcome.
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edge:
In order to determine this, I must know who that ultimate designer was or is.
John Paul:
Then I wish you luck on your quest.
Oh, gee. Does that mean that you won't answer?
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I'm still working on the hows, whys, whats, wheres, whens of the observed design in living organisms on Earth.
I think you're holding out on me JP. Well, remember, naturalism will welcome you back with open arms.
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