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Author Topic:   Two wrongs don't make a right (the (ir)rationality of revenge) - also gun control
LudoRephaim
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Message 340 of 452 (522439)
09-03-2009 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by BMG
08-06-2009 12:14 AM


revenge (cough) GU N CONTROL
I feel like i'm about to be the target of numerous bloggers on here, but here it goes;
Although i'm not a vengeful person, i believe that one should be allowed to own a gun and that gun control laws should not be strengthened. More government oversite (i.e. sticking their noses) into our lives is not what Americans need. I'm okay with universal healthcare (though not so with having private insurance companies still allowed to kick around), but trying to have strict control of or complete removal of guns seems to smack of big brother. It makes me wonder how many weremacht and SS officers would have been killed by the Jews they were going after if people were allowed to own guns in Germany and German-occupied Soviet Union.
Having said this, there are other ways to defend yourself and your home from an intruder; dogs, baseballs (throw one real good and you can bring the hurt; put one or several into a sock, and you have a fairl good mace), cue balls (see methods used for baseballs), throwing kives, baseball bats, stun guns, spray mace, pepper spray, trank dart (perferably one that works quickly), nail gun (how are you going to make that one illegal, or control it?), super loud security system (though i wouldn't use it alone), sword (kitana would probably work best among swords to make a burglar need a new clean pair of shorts), exotic pet (imagine the face on a burglar or serial killer if they see an 800 lbs Siberian Tiger watchin them. But exotic "pets", at least the big ones, are dangeorus to pet owners themselves, and i wouldn't recommend them), spear, slingshot (used by IRA), etc, but guns would probably do better than most.
No matter what you use, a crook is coming into a home knowing that a person inside might have weaponry and are potentially dangerous, and therefore will most likely be armed themselves. Its a question of whether you have the armament to put up a fight or nothing at all and allow yourself to be robbed, raped or killed,putting your faith into the police department, who'll most likely wont arrive on time to save you. No amount of peace signs and "all you need is love" is going to stop a bad guy from doing bad to you.

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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LudoRephaim
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Message 341 of 452 (522441)
09-03-2009 12:33 PM


One more thing...
And lets remember; getting rid of all guns or making strict gun control laws wont stop mass murder; the 9/11 hijackes used box cutters, not guns, to take over the planes, and the Oklahoma city bombing was carried out not by armed men, but a guy in a ryder truck.
Likewise, the world trade center bombing didn't involve guns either.
Archie bunker might have said it best when told about how many people are killed by guns;
"Would you feel any better if they were pushed out of windows?"

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

  
LudoRephaim
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Message 404 of 452 (522797)
09-05-2009 1:15 AM
Reply to: Message 403 by RAZD
09-04-2009 9:50 PM


Re: another reality check?
Hello razd
So you can't even name one off the top of your head?
The Middle East crisis is pretty complicated, but here are a few of the nations that have been hostile to Israel;
Iraq
Jordan (not anymore officially)
Syria
Egypt
Iran (I'm not sure if they ever fought Israel, but they are not kissing cousins)
Saudi Arabia.
Lebanon
I belive Turkey is fairly friendly with Israel, having a military alliance nowadays. That's a neighbor that's not so hostile. Morocco recognizes Israel diplomatically, but they are a long distance away from Israel.
armed deterrence does not ensure that one's rights and liberties are not trampled by others
America's nuclear deterrent kept us from the threat of a Soviet invasion. If we had an exchange, we would still die, but we would have died free, not in chains.
"Better to die on your feet that live on your knees."
Emilio Zapata, Mexican freedom fighter
Does an armed deterrent always work? No, but it has worked in the past;
American Revolution
Texas Revolution
Civil War
World war 2.
However the issue of guns used as deterrents for crooks is likewise complicated. A gun is a good deterrent but it wont stop everyone from trying to break into a home, just as the death penalty will not stop all from killing another human being. Its human nature to take risks and act stupid. However i'd rather have some form of home defene for when the stray guy tries to break into my house. You dont have to have a gun to defend yourself (i mentioned a few other ways in my last post on this thread), but you should consider home defense, just in case.

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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LudoRephaim
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Message 424 of 452 (522991)
09-07-2009 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 421 by DBlevins
09-06-2009 10:10 PM


Re: The usage of statistics.
Hello DBlevins.
I don't have much time to respond to these posts, but there was one thing i wanted o clear up. I would do more but there is so much here. I might respond more later.
Legend wrote;
I'm looking at two countries (Us/UK)that have similar cultural values...
DBlevins responded;
Why don't you include Scotland, Canada, Australia?
Scotland is a part of the UK/United Kingdom

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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LudoRephaim
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Message 427 of 452 (523016)
09-07-2009 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 425 by DBlevins
09-07-2009 3:49 PM


Iseeee
Ah okay. Now i get your point.

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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