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Author Topic:   Two wrongs don't make a right (the (ir)rationality of revenge) - also gun control
dronestar
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Message 11 of 452 (518545)
08-06-2009 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Rahvin
08-06-2009 1:08 PM


Rahvin writes:
The value of your goods is incomparable to a human life.
Ahem.
If the choices are Hitler, Stalin, Bush II, Dick Cheney, Rumsfield, or my clothes pins (not even the premium models with metal springs), I'd choose the clothes pins.
No contest.

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dronestar
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Message 14 of 452 (518576)
08-06-2009 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Rahvin
08-06-2009 2:41 PM


clothes-pins or Bush, hmmm . . .
each of these people has the potential to be more useful to society than a set of clothespins.
Interesting theory.
But, I think I still choose the clothes pins because:
1. Even if I bought a used package of inferior, grey-market, chinese-grade clothes pins, originally meant to be sold on the Myanmar border to illiterate peasants, I would still have SOME confidence that they would work as advertised. Using only the slimmest of benefit of doubt, their potential for good HAS at least SOME possibility.
2. The potential that Hitler or Bush II would actually do good without costly armed guards constantly poking them is non-existent. Their past actions have fully established their negative-potential FOR humankind. There IS NO potential for good.
Really, I would place my trust in the clothes pins. No contest.
Regarding your thief scenario, yes, logically, I agree with you. Sorry, you didn't have to repeat your post. But, as Legend mentioned, in the heat of the moment in "protecting" my family, I could imagine doing something rather stupid. (Like shooting my daughter's face off)
Luckily, in the US there are adequate gun laws to protect myself from doing stupid things.
Edited by dronester, : clarity

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dronestar
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Message 51 of 452 (519098)
08-11-2009 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Legend
08-11-2009 6:44 AM


Incentive?
Legend writes:
. . . then rape your wife as he's just seen her picture in a bikini on the mantlepiece and she looks hot.
If an intruder sees a picture of MY wife in a bikini on the mantlepiece, that wouldn't be an INCENTIVE to continue the burglary, it would be a DETERRENT. (Me thinks even the intruder would favor the less harmful bullet in the chest instead.)
I'm kidding, KIDDING!
(I don't really have a mantlepiece)

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dronestar
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Message 53 of 452 (519100)
08-11-2009 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Legend
08-11-2009 9:32 AM


Evidence FOR?
Legend writes:
As for the "preemptive strike" mentality: countless states throughout the world have been applying it for centuries and still are, as the Iraq Invasion has shown.
You're using the American invasion of Iraq as good evidence FOR "pre-emptive strikes"???
Wow. I think you may have just conceded your argument.

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dronestar
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Message 55 of 452 (519111)
08-11-2009 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Legend
08-11-2009 11:18 AM


Re: Evidence FOR?
Legend writes:
I'm using it as evidence that CIVILISATION HASN'T OUTGROWN THIS MENTALITY
Hmmm.
But, besides civilization, it seems you are ALSO a PROPONENT of pre-emptive strikes? If so, it seems bringing up the catastrophic American invasion into Iraq is evidence AGAINST the strategy of pre-emptive strikes. A little confusing, yes?
Interesting topic, though, Legend. I have no idea how I would react to a break-in (fight or flight). I can calmly agree with Rhavin now, but if the time comes and my adrenaline is pumping, . . . well, . . . let's hope I never find out.

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dronestar
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Message 432 of 452 (523092)
09-08-2009 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 431 by Hyroglyphx
09-08-2009 8:21 AM


Nein, Nein, Nein . . .
Hey Herr Hyroglyphx
(Such dissonance! A participant with both a Hitler avatar and a pro-Israel stance.)
This is waaay off topic, so i'll only post this SINGLE message...
Israel or Palestinian people: who is oppressing who? Which people FULLY CONTROL health, water, travel, employment, land, etc. usage of the other to the point of life or death?
If you need help, please read up on The Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
Universal Declaration of Human Rights - Wikipedia

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