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The very fact that you call for debates instead of ID scientific research tells us that you don't know how science works. False. The judge was there to protect the Constituion, which he did. Look up the Lemon Test sometime and then tell us what secular uses ID has.

So what ID research are you going to discuss? Can you please reference the peer reviewed papers from scientific journals that we will be discussing? I know what science is. In science, we do research. So where is the ID research? If there is no research then there is nothing to debate. Then please point us to ID peer reviewed research so we can see how ID is tested and by what evidence. You really do not understand how evidence works, do you. A theory is not evidential. That is word salad. A theory is TESTABLE. If ID is not a theory then there is nothing to debate.

Would ID be falsified if it was shown that order and law did not require an intelligent designer and that natural mechanisms were all that was required for order to occur?

Keep going until you get to the part that contains authors, name of journal, title of paper, volume, number, pages.

My position is that no scientist is using ID to do scientific research. If there were scientists using ID then you would be able to point me to ID based research papers in peer reviewed journals.Since there is no ID science there is nothing scientific to debate. It really is that simple. It is your job to describe the research programs needed to test ID and then present that research to the scientific community. That is how science works. It doesn't work by challenging scientists to debate theology. Because that is how science works. Go to http://www.pubmed.com . Search for phylogenomics. Pick a paper. Read it. That is the kind of detail I am asking for, the kind of detail a real scientific theory would be able to produce.

This is word salad, Dawn. Predictions and methodologies are different things. The theory of evolution is a product of the scientific method. You have the hierarchial structure all wrong. It is the scientific method at the top, with the theory of evolution being a product of that method. There is no evolutionary method. There is only the scientific method.ID is not a product of the scientific method. ID is a product of christian theology. This is why it is meaningless to have ID supporters ask for debates with scientists. You should be having a theological debate with theologians if you truly want to debate ID.Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

No, it doesn't. We can know that the oxidation of hydrogen results in water without needing to know where hydrogen and oxygen came from. We can know that diseases are caused by infectious germs without needing to know where the first germ came from. We can know that mass warps spacetime without needing to know where mass or spacetime came from. Not every hypothesis requires the initiation point for the whole universe in order to be tested. You are flatly wrong.