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mark24
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Message 292 of 402 (474451)
07-08-2008 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by John 10:10
07-08-2008 2:39 PM


Re: A fond farewell to John
John 10:10,
Science that is valuable does prove things to a high degree of accuracy. That's what facts are.
With you so far, I'd substitute "prove" with "demonstrate", or somesuch, however...
Things that can never be proven, such as the ToE, produces nothing good in the study of biology, and in fact does much harm by convincing many school children and Nobel winners that the ToE is true science, when it is not.
The ToE has been "proven" to a high degree of accuracy, which makes it a "fact" by your own standard. Molecular phylogeny mapping to morphological phylogeny, mapping said phylogenies to the stratigraphic fossil order of appearance, the fossil record, biogeography, & palaeontology off the top of my head all point to evolution. Unless you live in a world of coincidence, in which case we can dismiss every single scientific conclusion as pure luck.
The odds of getting many phylogenies even remotely similar to each other is staggering, yet it happens routinely. It has no business happening unless evolution occurred.
Put it like this, you would be happy to put medicine into your body that has far less statistical support that the ToE does. Why would you do that if evolutionary conclusions were so unreliable?
What is harmful are fuckwit creationists going around holding evolution to a different standard that they hold all other sciences to, pretending it isn't science when it meets the standards that all other science meets, & attemping to influence schoolkids with their colossal ignorance, hypocrisy & outright dishonesty. And all of this because they believe in something that is utterly & completely evidentially vacuous.
Oh, the irony!
Mark
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mark24
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Message 322 of 402 (474483)
07-08-2008 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 321 by John 10:10
07-08-2008 6:06 PM


Re: This is the Science Forum; do science
Three paragraphs without answering the question, well done!

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mark24
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Message 338 of 402 (474517)
07-09-2008 3:53 AM
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07-08-2008 5:02 PM


Re: A fond farewell to John
Jogn 10:10,
By your standard, but not by mine.
Really?
You are prepared to put medicine into your body that is less well tested than the ToE?
Mark

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Message 350 of 402 (474537)
07-09-2008 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 349 by ICANT
07-09-2008 7:40 AM


Re: Re-Horses
ICAN'T,
So since we have horses today from the size of Tumbelina to Radar
and all points in-between I am not sure the horse tree is correct. But that is my problem.
The phylogeny is based on many morphological characters. I'm not even sure it's based on absolute size at all.
Mark

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