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How can there be a creator without creation?

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Straggler

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Message 44 of 111 (519509)
08-14-2009 10:36 AM

Reply to: Message 43 by ICANT
08-14-2009 10:31 AM

Re: Re Creation

I believe God caused the universe to begin to exist.

Do you accept that somewhere down the casusal chain there has to be something that "just is"? i.e. something that is uncaused.

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Message 47 of 111 (519514)
08-14-2009 11:36 AM

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08-14-2009 11:29 AM

Re: Re Creation

Do you accept that somewhere down the casusal chain there has to be something that "just is"? i.e. something that is uncaused.

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Straggler

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Message 55 of 111 (519603)
08-15-2009 10:52 AM

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08-14-2009 3:12 PM

Re: Re Creation

Straggler writes:

Do you accept that somewhere down the casusal chain there has to be something that "just is"? i.e. something that is uncaused.

ICANT writes:

I believe God caused the universe to begin to exist. Message 43

ICANT writes:

As many times as I have stated I believe the universe is infinite in an eternal now you have to ask me a question like the one above.

ICANT can you explain to me how these two statements of yours are not contradictory? What am I missing here? An "eternal now" that had a beginning? What exactly do you mean by this?

If you got a better explanation spit it out.

OK. The universe quite possibly "just is".

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