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Author Topic:   How can there be a creator without creation?
onifre
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Message 99 of 111 (521434)
08-27-2009 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by ICANT
08-27-2009 10:22 AM


Re: Thanks for responding.
All I am interested in is evidence concerning the universe begining to exist and life begining to exist.
If the universe did not begin as a process from nothing to something, which is the leading opinion in cosmology, then no creator is required, nor a process of creation. - Creation myth disproven.
As far as we can tell, it has always existed upto a small scale that we can mathematically explain using the current theories. Beyond that point, nothing more can be said with certainty.
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Your point about life falls into the process after the fact. Before life as we describe it is found on Earth, all of the necessary componenets are found. What took place in between life and non-life is the process that you do not wish to get into. - Creation myth disproven
Life did not come into existance at the moment of the Big Bang, it happened billions of years after the fact, so it falls within the parameters that you said are not part of your inquiry, so it's irrelevant, right?
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 101 of 111 (521502)
08-27-2009 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by ICANT
08-27-2009 2:39 PM


Re: Thanks for responding.
Hi ICANT,
I thought you wasn't talking to me.
You shouldn't think that. Maybe in one thread due to you not willing to see further than your perspective, but certainly not overall.
We cool...we always cool
You don't know how it began to exist but you can still declare how it did not begin to exist.
Again, I'm saying there is no point to begin from. In other words, there was never nothing and then suddenly something.
You are the only one declaring that it began from a state of nothingness. You cannot show evidence for that nor can you describe nothingness. It's a nonsensical concept.
Life began to exist in Genesis 1:1 so if you want to prove Genesis 1:1 false you would need to present the evidence for how it began to exist.
Nonsense. You're already coming into that with the view that Genesis is right.
Tell you what, describe how "life" began using Genesis as your guild. See how far you can get into describing the origin of the first cellular life using the Bible. If you come close to what the current evidence (scientific) shows, then I'll concede.
However, note that life is not described as beginning with a man and a woman, which is how the Bible states it. How do you get around that?
Just don't tell me Genesis 1:1 has been proven false until your metaphysics becomes science.
There's no metaphysics in the study of abiogenesis, and the fact that we are as close as we are to creating cellular life shows that it is possible.
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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