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Author Topic:   Immaterial "Evidence"
straightree
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Message 15 of 154 (519697)
08-16-2009 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
07-26-2009 5:40 PM


Re: Why The
Its a very well stated pertinent question. The simplest and more direct answer to it, is NO. We have not any sensual capabilities to detect inmaterial entities. If you beleive that your senses is all you need to direct your life, quite good.
If you consider that your intelligence can work on entities and concepts that do not come through your senses, then, maybe your personal experience and reasoning can lead you to believe in the existence of inmaterial entities, mainly in God. Then, it may be that you can arrive to consider that all that comes through your senses belongs to a world created by God, and then all your sensations are evidence of God.
So, in fact is a question of all or nothing.

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straightree
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Message 25 of 154 (519877)
08-18-2009 1:32 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Straggler
08-16-2009 12:30 PM


Re: Why The
Experience and reasoning? Or bias, wishful thinking, emotional need, desire for higher purpose and a whole host of other very human and very compelling needs, wants and desires?.
What a paradox, I think God produced evolution, you think evolution produced god.

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straightree
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Message 26 of 154 (519882)
08-18-2009 3:11 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Straggler
08-17-2009 2:00 PM


Re: Subjective experience
In message 15 I put it clear what I think about the subject of in-material entities perception. Nevertheless, as I think the term "subjective experience" is not being properly used along this thread, I would like to comment on it.
Any personal experience, of any kind, is subjective. According to Karl Popper, there are three worlds:
First world: the material world.
Second world (subjective): the perceptions produced by the material world in our minds.
Third world (objective): The theories, discussions, experiment descriptions, etc, rendered in books, papers, communications, etc.
Subjective experience, always may deceive you, also if it comes through your physical senses. As a prominent example, a man that has not gone over the polar circle, could be induced to think that the sun settles and rises every day, in all points of the earth.

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straightree
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Message 31 of 154 (520172)
08-19-2009 5:52 PM
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08-18-2009 12:51 PM


Re: Topic
Sorry to be so brusque but the whole evolution as evidence for God thing is just gonna hijack this thread down so many paths it was never intended to explore.
I never intended to go any further, but it seemed to me a useful remarc.

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