If you were God, what kind of God would you be?

LOL! I know the answers these guys will give without reading their responses. Basically;"NOT a God like the bible-God"But the problem is, that idolatry starts in the heart, when men think that they know better than God.This is why we have such a wonderful system of rape, murder, adultery, theft, violence....Because men go it alone without God, thinking he doesn't know anything, yet blaming him for everything that happens.Bizarre but true my friend.

That sounds impressive Para', but the truth is that it is your opinion, having read a few verses of the bible, and not understaning it on any other level than syntax.God created everything how he wanted it in the beginning. Men chose blood, jealousy, and mischief.You can't just expect your woefully ignorant opinion to have any weight.People study the scriptures, and meditate on it, to find out what it means. Afterall, you are logical - you will know that the Jewish writers aren't going to write a bad report on God. They believed, and you don't - yet you think you have the correct meaning?You talk as if the bible is a true report on God's character, but you don't believe any of it happened.God, in the flesh, is Jesus Christ. If you have seen Him you have seen the Father, and who he is.Did he come with violence? Or did he come and submitt to violent men?You haven't even understood the sovereignty or holiness of God. Have you even studied the hypothetics behind a perfect system?Why does it say in Revelation that not even a liar can enter heaven, or anything that offends? Why does it say in Leviticus that if a man touched the mountain he would die? why did they have to wash themselves, and atone for themselves, for a whole day, before God came down.You make these judgements, but you don't know who you are making them about. You just make them based on an opinion of the typical syntax-level the atheist operates from, and you insult my God.Who do you think you are? You must be a perfect person to judge in this manner. You must have never lied, stolen, deceived, lusted, offended, got angry, etc,....Are you so clever, yet with no eyes?You don't know that you are making statements about the living God who gave you life. You are breathing His air, and in the same breath you insult your provider.Does He who made the eye, not see? Does He who planted the ear, not hear?God can kill me right now, spill my guts and make me suffer, and will that make him evil? God craeted me, and God can destroy me.The sin of this earth is rampant, and yet you think God has sin? This Godless system you entertain must be perfect! There mustn't be any rape, murder, abortion, lying, stealing, cheating, violence. Yes?Come back when the world has no sin, when you have no sin, and then judge my Holy God.Otherwise shut up. Hold the tongue if it holds no knowledge of My God who died for me.

It would be inhuman of me to deny Jack the Ripper the only gratification he finds in life by ripping.The whole point Para', is that arguing from a moral position of relativism, that God is evil, when you yourself admitt imperfection is logically a double whammy-fallacy.Why?1. It is irrelevant that you think God is evil. What is "evil"?
2. Unless you are completely righteous, how can I accept what you say?In reality, people make moral judgements on other people without ever realizing how sinful they are. I see it every day, they go round in circles wondering how the other person can be so "evil".The reason is the sinful nature we all have.From my position, it is sin to speak against a perfect Holy God. As soon as an atheist opens his mouth, it is time to close it, because of these reasonings.So you can have your viewpoint but ultimately it is futile to judge God. I can even understand it, having not understood the bible once.But there's a big danger of misunderstanding the actions of God, especially in the OT, if you haven't studied some fundamental things about God, and how the Hebrews thought.

But a person with equal morals, who believes in God and the bible, doesn't agree that it follows that he is unspeakabley wicked, because they know their religious book, and have understood it how it was meant to be understood.It is no good showing that God's anger, or judgement makes him wicked when our book says, that "God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all".What you have done is come to a wrong conclusion that has nothing to do with morals at all.I know it is unpleasant to die by the sword. Atheists told me this was God's wickedness. Infact I had to study the whole story, and find out who certain peoples were and what they had done.Our position is that all people are sinful, and a perfect, Holy God says that the wages of sin is death, because of justice.If God isn't just, then He is no God at all. This is why there MUST be punishment for sin. If he lets it slide, then he is not perfectly Holy, as he would allow somebody to do something He knows to be evil, and not repay.I do not believe that morally you think all thieves and murderers should NOT go to jail.Now take it a lot further.do you see God physically, anywhere? I don't see him? Why did Manoala say that he must die because he has seen God? yet God ascended in the flames of the sacrifice, foreshowing that if God dies on behalf of Manoala's sin, then he will not die if he has seen God.It takes a lot of studying, not just reading something unpleasant, not understanding, being disgusted, and throwing the book away as false.It does not follow that God is wicked, if you take the bible as a whole, because there is no darkness in him "at all". Therefore, all his reasons are above ours. "I am not a man, that I can lie. My ways are not your ways, and my thoughts are higher than your thoughts."Also it is written, "Trust in God and lean not on your own understanding."What do you think - that men have a better understanding? Look around yourself - this is man's world and it is completely filled with sin, so do you think you have more understanding, when God's idea was a perfect Eden>? Think again.

Sorry I didn't answer your post, I have a pretty heavy response team working against me.I don't accuse anyone of moral relativism, it simply follows in a world where there is no innate purpose, as the universe would not care what your morals were/are.The argument isn't really quite about morals, it's about relative moral judgements giving you a certain flawed conclusion. Afterall, as I have stated, the bible states that there is no darkness or sin, in God, "at all" or "whatsoever" in other versions, I believe.So any conclusion from reading the bible, that God is wicked, is a guaranteed FALSE conclusion. Now you have to ignore your relative intepretation, relative to your atheism, doubt, disbelief and morals.There is no point in saying that you are imperfect and then believing you can still judge God who is not imperfect.If a judge who lies, says; "liar be punished", he is a hypocrite. If a judge who lusts says; "rapist, go to jail", he is a hypocrite.You see, the bible does not see sin as seperate, but generic, and prevailent in ALL people, therefore to judge "sin" you must be perfect.So it is no good going on about moral judgement. That is not the issue, you are infact identifying or trying to identify sin. But the bible teaches that God acts against sin, by "creating evil". God said he would bless AND CURSE because he is a just God.So if you say, "rape is wrong, I don't rape it digusts me."I say, have you ever lusted over a woman? Then you have commited adultery in the heart, as Christ indicated, therefore how can you judge sin, being a sinner?"Trust God and lean not on your own understanding" --Proverbs--Why? Because, "my thoughts are higher than your thoughts, and my ways are higher than your ways".This world is FULL of sin, because mankind wanted it that way. What did God want? Eden, what does God intend? Heaven.I don't recall murder in heaven, do you? I seem to remember Eden being a place where there was no death, or sin, yet you have a conclusion that God is wicked?If God is wicked, then it should not follow that in Revelation it says, "neither will there be any more pain".Why would a wicked God DESIRE a system where there is no more pain and suffering, no more killing?So you see, you have a VERY relative opinion about all of this, and I have hardly even started to mention some of the problems with what you say!

It's not that I don't pay attention to what people say, it's that I give responses according to my own outlook. It might "seem" I do not hear or understand, but I am not here to amuse people completely, I am here to give my own take on things.I give and give, and others receive of me, this is my nature. I answer questions, but people can't answer mine.It is frustrating that when I know I make a powerful point, it is ignored. But God is not a wilfull person in that sense. He'll make his point, then he'll let you do what you want with it, as he knows you will. I am one and you are many. This might give an illusion that my posts are of less woth. Infact, they have to be much quicker posts, and they are therefore much scruffier grammatically, and structurally.

Logically, whether you like it or not I have disposed of the rape argument. Therefore I do not need to answer. The other question about Hitler is much better, but I tell the truth, and not lies. The second question is gone because of what I stated, but the Hitler example is not refuted. The followers would state that they are perfect or "correct", therefore your analogy is a good one on a logical level, as it would follow.Why should you?I could only really point to Christ, who is God in the form of man. You see, this is why I say that studying what the bible actually means other than on a syntax level, is correct.Christ said, "therefore the son of man is also Lord of the sabbath". (Because the sabbath or shabbat, was made for man.)Why would God only be able to be Lord of the sabbath if he was a man, when he is God? Because God gave "man", or "mankind", AUTHORITY on the earth. Therefore God is not able to be in charge of the sabbath, unless he is a man, because God is so faithful to his word, and SOVEREIGN. (As I previously mentioned).So when God became man, he took authority over the earth. Satan OFFERED the earth to Christ, but it would infact have made Christ subject to the devil because the devil already had the authority, when mankind SINNED.So now we have sin - which gives the enemy authority, and righteousness, that gives complete authority. A completely righteous man in this world is not subject to the sinful nature, nor any sickness or afflictions that come from the enemy.CHRIST was and IS this MAN, the "LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS".HIS LIFE on earth, is my moral "example" against people like Hitler and other tyrants. Christ said, "if you have seen me you have seen the Fether."Now we know the Father's nature, through the new covenant which is called the law of the Spirit of life, not the law of SIN and death.I have explained enough for you to give this some thought.You KNOW the difference between righteousness and sin. If you think Hitler is the same as Christ, then what else can I say.How is it that atheists only ever point to the law of sin and death as God's example, when God's example is Jesus Christ, which the whole law and prophets point to, screaming out, "this is the way, this is the way - not this way!!"So I can only, and you can only, judge a man based on how he is, can you not?I have finished participating for now, as I know that it is futile to try and convince you of anything, no matter how hard I try.

It doesn't follow that God is evil, EVEN IF HE DOES EVIL.Now what could I mean by that exactly? What if it's all I said without explaining? You might conclude certain things, might you not, it might be easy to conclude certain things.Yet, ultimately, you should not lean on your own understanding, if my understanding is higher, because you will not understand what I say and therefore try and make sense of it relative to your own opinion, experience etc...You think I am "deep" into something? I don't think you have proved anything other than you can know right and do wrong.My original point still stands. Unless you are completely righteouss, how can your mind make a sound judgement? You are a person whom has views RELATIVE to your opinions, morals, worldview, etc. You can only make a conclusion based on that relativity.

I knew you'd mention hell. But God has made a way to not go there. It does not follow that he is evil or wicked because men insist on going there, when he makes it clear that his will is that they will inherit the kingdom.I have mentioned some of the problems with what you say but your attitude indicates to me that it would not matter what I say, therefore what I say increases in wisdom and decreases in understanding. For you do not want to understand, making yourself god.

Is that what I meant? What are, "evil acts".Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.

I'll give you a whopping clue my confused friends.Why would God, now you have concluded he is evil, want to save any that are not evil? Why did he save Lot? Why did he save Noah? Why did he bless Israel when they were righteous, and curse them when they were evil?If his motive is evil, Him being evil?Through the process of reductio ad absurdum, it should follow that he would kill them all, in the most evil way, especially the righteous. (Remember, relative moral opinions don't count as they differ. Jack the ripper might find it moral to kill innocent people).I state you "know righteousness and sin", but your morals allow sin. Knowing righteousness does not make you righteous, or stop you from sinning. Even Jack knew he was in the wrong because he ran.Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.

I have not revealed what I meant.perhaps I am just evil, or I have a twisted logic?What do you think? (Clear lucid answers are preferrable).Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.

If you seriously think that when I said "neither will there be pain or suffering", that I didn't mean the kingdom, and you think it follows that it is a lie? Then my friend, I am completely content to discontinue saying anything at all.Didn't you hear of the "old system of things?" "neither shall there be any more curse". the context is that this present day situation humans are in, is not how it will be when the kingdom comes.Boy - no wonder you have such troubles with the bible. You simply twist any thing you can twist to suit your argument.Oh well, good luck with that. Bye .