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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 10 of 453 (520211)
08-19-2009 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by RAZD
08-19-2009 8:35 PM


Re: anchor stones away ...
This is Wyatt's model of the ark (it's in his "museum") - I've seen a picture showing the stones hanging from the back end. Wan't to guess what they will do in a storm tossed sea?

These heavy stones would tear a wooden ship apart in heavy sea state conditions. The amount of shearing forces involved would be enormous as the wood would be pulled in all magnitudes and directions.

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Message 95 of 453 (520629)
08-22-2009 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Peg
08-22-2009 4:28 AM


Re: Not 300 ft boards! Doh!!
Peg writes:

If noah laid the beams across the width of the boat rather then along the lenght, then the structural limits of the wood is nowhere near reached.

There is a reason why the keel of a ship is laid longitudinally (lengthwise) instead of laterally (across the breadth of the ship).
Without a keel running the entire length, a large ship/boat cannot withstand the hydronamic forces and structural stresses placed on it and would literally break up.


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Message 101 of 453 (520658)
08-22-2009 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by iano
08-22-2009 7:39 PM


Re: Reality: displacement is what makes boats float or not
An earlier post contains a calculation based on the ark being 50% submerged - with the submerged volume made up of woven balsa (70% wood/30% space iirc). The water displaced gave an above waterline load carrying capacity of 3000 metric tonnes or so.

Have you ever worked with balsa wood? It is so porous, light and soft that you can snap small pieces of it in half with one finger. You are expecting us to believe that animals with weights as large as 13,000 lbs (the average weight of an African elephant bull (male) would not tear this balsa wood construction apart? Much less the hooves, feet and other appendages of thousands of other animals.

You are out of your gourd? How much more backpeddling and outright fabricated lies are you going to use to support this myth?

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Message 103 of 453 (520660)
08-22-2009 8:36 PM
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08-22-2009 8:30 PM


Re: Reality: displacement is what makes boats float or not
Besides, balsa (Ochroma pyramidale) only grows in South America not the Middle East where Noah built his ark.


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Message 137 of 453 (520904)
08-24-2009 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by ICANT
08-24-2009 1:49 PM


Re: Limits of Wood
ICANT writes:

Well the ark was no boat.

It was not built like a boat.

It was built like a building with rooms in it.

You do realize that modern ship building is predicated on the notion of compartmentalization in order to reduce the risk of unchecked flooding from one section of a ship to the next resulting in catastrophic sinking

I guess modern Naval ships just have watertight hatches and doors between decks and compartments just for looks.


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